Re: [Security Firewall] firewall

Florin, you can recommend everything you want  ;-)

As you say is an old issue, not only in free software.
Suse did available a downloadable iso again (after years without it), I 
think because they need a huge users base. They have a firewall that 
isn't free, and ... I have ever seen one ... it exists?

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florin wrote:

>On 7/10/05, Pablo de Carlos <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>I totally agree with you Amaury, but I think that if no one does a free
>>iso or a esasy urmpi way to install MNF2 in a Mandriva base system, (or
>>an apt MNF for Debian), MNF will fall in a forgotten great product.
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>>It need a great user base to spread and test it, like linux, (or easy
>>install and pirated software ... ¿windows, office? :-P ).
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>>How many people is going to test the iso downloading it from this list?
>>50, 100?. Thinks Mandriva that MNF2 can grow in market with firewall1,
>>cisco, symantec, ca, ipcop, coyote, sonicwall, hand made shorewall
>>firewalls, etc, etc, etc ....? (without the key of a growing community
>>pushing it up).
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>>Sorry, but I dont want to waste my time testing a ISO for privileged
>>people of a mailing list. I think I'd better go to help shorewall,
>>squid, openswan developers to do their great work.
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>This is an endless discussion :-) 
>I would recommend you to support (at least) the above projects (and
>will you really ?) but hey, who am I to recommend anything ? :-)
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>my 2cts,
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>>Amaury Amblard-Ladurantie wrote:
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>>>>I know i'm coming in late and without context to this discussion, but
>>>>this seems a very strange sentiment to me.  When you work on free
>>>>software, you need to /expect others to make money out of your work/.
>>>>
>>>>Did Linus Torvalds or Alan Cox get any compensation out of MNF1 for
>>>>their work on the Linux kernel?  Did Tom Eastep get paid from MNF1's
>>>>coffers for inventing Shorewall?
>>>>
>>>>If Mandriva has a problem with this, they need to get out of the free
>>>>software industry.
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>>>Mandriva develops free software (MNF frontend & backend, drakx and so on).
>>>However, as Mandriva pays people to develop free software, they need to make
>>>money, or they won't be able to pay these developers, and no more free
>>>software will be produced by Mandriva, and everyone loses.
>>>
>>>The solution Mandriva chose consists in restricting the distribution of the
>>>Mandriva brand, hence you cannot re-distribute the MNF ISO without paying for
>>>it. You are welcome, however, to take all the software found on the ISO, make
>>>your own ISO and distribute them freely. It is in many aspects similar to
>>>OpenBSD's policy, and I hardly see any conflict with the "free software
>>>spirit".
>>>
>>>Besides, as Deush's last email stated, those who contributed to the MNF will
>>>get free access to the MNF ISO if they want. Even if I would prefer the MNF
>>>ISO to be freely available to anyone, I don't find Mandriva's politic
>>>outrageous.
>>>
>>>Amaury (former MNF contributor)
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