Re: [Security Firewall] Florins Firewall

Vincent,
It appears that Mandriva, is trying to take back it's list, products and 
all other things.
Now I have not paid for a firewall yet, but was considering it, (but I 
do own other versions) as I wanted support for my ISP company and a 
couple of commercial sites that I supply support to. But this is my last 
message as I will be unsubscribing tomorrow.
This means that all samba servers and demo workstations will be 
replaced, because you see, Vincent there is more to Mandriva than it's 
firewall, but you have shown a direction that Mandrake (Mandriva) is 
taking, which is the Microsoft route. I have owned a copy of Mandrake 
since the last decade, but will now change direction.
I have noticed that all this has happened since the company name change.

So to all the lurkers it was great while it lasted,

You have a Good Day now,


Carl A Jeptha
http://www.airnet.ca
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Emergency only Pager 905 377-6900
skype cajeptha



Vincent Danen wrote:

>
> On 3-Aug-05, at 7:02 AM, Mitchell, Neill wrote:
>
>>> the Mandriva club provides home products, the MNF is not at all an  
>>> home
>>>
>> product.<
>>
>> Hang on a minute. Are saying that Mandriva Club is only for "home  
>> products".
>> Then why did I pay for an extremely expensive Corporate membership?  
>> I think
>> you guys need to make it much clearer what each membership level  
>> entitles a
>> person too.
>
>
> Aha!  You are a member of Corporate Club!  Ok, this makes things a  
> little different then.  I my mind, it makes sense to offer a reduced  
> discount on MNF to members of Corporate Club.  It does *not* make  
> sense to give it away to an audience for whom MNF was never really  
> intended (ie. home users).  For members of Corporate Club... I  
> definitely thing a reduction in price is not unreasonable.
>
>> I also hope you have done your market research re. pricing of MNF  2. 
>> You are
>> trying to break into an extremely paranoid market with MNF2.  
>> Companies take
>> their firewalls very seriously and nobody has heard of you in this  
>> market
>> place.
>
>
> That's a fairly broad assumption.  MNF8.2 which came out a few years  
> ago has been very well received and is used by a fair number of  
> companies.  Sure, we're not a Cisco, but we're not a nobody who just  
> came out with a firewall product.  We've been doing a dedicated  
> firewall product for many years, starting with SNF that was based on  
> Mandrake 7.2.  That's quite a while ago.
>
>> You are playing with the big boys such as Cisco and Checkpoint who  
>> have been
>> supplying proven firewall software for many years.
>> Everyone I have mentioned MNF2 have been extremely dismissive as  you 
>> have no
>> track record. I think you'd do far better in the long run targeting  
>> small
>> companies with a cheap solution.
>> I also have to say that the last beta that was released for test  has 
>> quite a
>> few issues. If they have not been fixed (and as you have not  released a
>> final Release candidate for user testing I can't see how you can  
>> have), you
>> are going to get an awful lot of bad press. From what I understand  
>> from this
>> newsgroup, Mandriva has not really taken much MNF2 development as  
>> seriously
>> as its main products. I can't possible see how you have managed to  
>> properly
>> test and fix such a complex product in the time since Florin left.
>
>
> QA has been doing testing and Andreas and Daouda have finished the  
> development on it.  I understand that most people seem to think that  
> Florin==Firewall God, but you make it sound like the rest of the  
> company is inept and only Florin could possibly work on the product.   
> That in itself is a little insulting, don't you think?
>
>> You have a marvellous opportunity to get further free testing with the
>> member of this newsgroup. I think giving a few dozen free copies to
>> dedicated list members will do you far more good than harm.
>
>
> Ummm... pretty much the entire mailing list was asking for free  
> ISOs.  Go back through the archives and see how many people responded  
> "Me too!  I'm a lurker and downloaded the odd beta, never reported a  
> bug, but I'm on the mailing list so I'd like to get it free".  I have  
> nothing against rewarding those who have actually contributed, but  
> unless someone goes back through the archives to see who did  
> contribute, you're pretty much looking at a list (if anyone bothered  
> to compile it from the responses) of 80% of the respondants having a  
> status of "lurker".  Well, I'm sorry, but being a lurker on a mailing  
> list doesn't entitle you to a freebie that should be reserved for  
> those who actually committed a little bit of time and effort.
>

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