Re: [Security Firewall] Florins Firewall

On 3-Aug-05, at 11:30 AM, Carl A Jeptha wrote:

> It appears that Mandriva, is trying to take back it's list,  
> products and all other things.

Trying to take back?  No.  It just seems odd to me that everyone is  
discussing forking MNF on the MNF mailing list.  As I said, I don't  
really care what you do... it's all open source, and you're freely  
available to do what you like with it.  But I think it's rude to  
discuss that proposition on the list of the product you're planning  
to fork.

The decision has been made, a consensus informally reached, and  
someone asked what the next step should be.  I respectfully asked  
that the next step should be a separate mailing list to discuss what  
to do with it... nothing more.

Look, this isn't a new scenario.  I was dissatisfied with Corporate  
Server to do what I wanted, so over a year and a half ago I took the  
Mandrake 9.2 base and forked it to start a self-propelled project  
called Annvix.  Out of respect for Mandriva, I do not discuss Annvix  
on any of the mailing lists, and I don't include more normal Annvix- 
ad signature on a Mandriva mailing list.  This is not because I'm  
trying to hide what I'm doing, and Annvix is far less competition to  
a Mandriva project than "Florin's Firewall" would be.  I do this out  
of respect for the fact that Annvix is *not* a Mandriva product or  
project, and it shouldn't be discussed on their lists.  Anyone who  
wants to discuss Annvix is asked to either subscribe to the Annvix  
mailing lists or to email me directly.

This isn't tyranny, this isn't about taking a list back, this isn't  
about taking a product back, this is all about one thing: respect.

> Now I have not paid for a firewall yet, but was considering it,  
> (but I do own other versions) as I wanted support for my ISP  
> company and a couple of commercial sites that I supply support to.  
> But this is my last message as I will be unsubscribing tomorrow.

Why?  I don't understand what I said that made everyone so upset.   
You folks were discussing forking the product.  Are you upset because  
I asked you to move it somewhere else?  Would it have been better if  
I put on my moderator hat and said discussing the fork was off  
topic?  Either way, *all* I did was ask you to talk about it  
elsewhere.  I didn't ask you to stop, I didn't rant and scream, I  
didn't demand anything.  I just asked you to, out of respect for the  
company you're planning to fork a product from, to discuss it  
somewhere else.  There might be people here who actually want to  
discuss *MNF* and not "Florin's Firewall".  Why are you so offended  
because I asked you to move the discussion?

> This means that all samba servers and demo workstations will be  
> replaced, because you see, Vincent there is more to Mandriva than  
> it's firewall, but you have shown a direction that Mandrake  
> (Mandriva) is taking, which is the Microsoft route. I have owned a  
> copy of Mandrake since the last decade, but will now change direction.

Huh?  How do you figure we're taking a Microsoft route?  I'm  
completely lost.  Did we threaten to sue anyone?  Are we telling you  
to stop?  Are we asking you to pay a fee to fork it?  Absolutely  
not!  I asked for one simple thing and as a result some of you people  
have utterly lost all common sense!  Comparing my asking you to move  
discussion to another list to Microsoft tactics?  Excuse me?  That's  
the most insane thing I think I've possibly ever heard!  Don't you  
think you're over-reacting a little bit?

And absolutely there is more to Mandriva than just the firewall,  
which is why I'm confused as to why everyone thinks we should be  
giving it away for free.  We give the desktop version of Mandriva  
away for free.  We make the CVS available for MNF... you'll notice  
it's not hidden, it's not locked away, it's not out of the public's  
hands.  Which is another reason I'm insulted you compare us to  
Microsoft.  But despite all of this, and all we do, it seems like  
it's not enough.  You get upset because we don't give you the final  
product with a bowtie and silver plate?  Come on... if you want the  
fancy wrapping, you need to pay for it.  But there's nothing stopping  
you from getting your hands dirty and compiling a few things out of  
CVS is there?  Absolutely not.

> I have noticed that all this has happened since the company name  
> change.

I hate to say it, and I don't mean to sound rude, but I think you're  
reading far too much into what's happening.  Conspiracy theorist  
perhaps?

> So to all the lurkers it was great while it lasted,
>
> You have a Good Day now,

You too, Carl, but I must admit that I am completely and utterly  
confused by not only your attitude and threats, but by your entire  
rational.  It absolutely does not make sense to me.

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