Re: [Security Firewall] Florins Firewall

On 3-Aug-05, at 4:56 PM, Glen Ansley wrote:

> OK, I'll bite :)
>
> SNF WAS free but the automatic web - front end upgrade option was  
> not released with the "Free" version (and you didn't get official  
> support from Mandrake).

Was MNF8.2 free as well?  Take out your magic archiver system and  
tell me that too.  I'd really be interested to know and frankly, I  
know next to nothing about MNF (I don't particularly like it, and I  
don't use it).

> I believe it's documented in this list somewhere (about SNF) and  
> USED to be documented on Mandrakes site.  I will endeavour to dig  
> up the relevant posts if I can be bothered later on :)  -  To  
> prempt your question, yes, I have kept ALL posts since I joined  
> this Mailing List!    :)
> A quick scan showed that it was lightly refered as free on Thu,  
> 29/01/2003 @ 10:41:26AM.
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> On Wed Jan 29, 2003 at 10:41:26AM -0800, Patrick Usher wrote:
>
>
>> Seems silly for people to complain about the service
>> for a free product.... but Oh well.
>>
>
> No doubt.
>
>
>> Thanx for the link V.... very helpful.
>>
>
> You're welcome.
>
> <snip>
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> Please correct me if I'm wrong but, this was to be the same for  
> what was the successor to SNF (now MNF).
>
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> From: security-firewall-owner-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/[email protected] on behalf of  
> Vincent Danen
> Sent: Thu 4/08/2005 09:00
> To: security-firewall-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/[email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Security Firewall] Florins Firewall
>
>
>
>
> On 3-Aug-05, at 2:14 PM, Repairman wrote:
>
>
>>> Huh?  How do you figure we're taking a Microsoft route?  I'm
>>> completely lost.  Did we threaten to sue anyone?  Are we telling you
>>> to stop?  Are we asking you to pay a fee to fork it?  Absolutely
>>> not!  I asked for one simple thing and as a result some of you  
>>> people
>>> have utterly lost all common sense!  Comparing my asking you to move
>>> discussion to another list to Microsoft tactics?  Excuse me?  That's
>>> the most insane thing I think I've possibly ever heard!  Don't you
>>> think you're over-reacting a little bit?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The "Microsoft route" reffered to is that in the beginning of MS,
>> they did everything they could to give information to the
>> programmers and end users about their O/S. (A pre-Opensource way of
>> doing business).  Unlike Apple, there was no red tape or hoops you
>> had to jump through. And they became the dominate O/S for this
>> reason. Now they are worse than Apple ever was.
>>
>> We helped take Mandrake out of bankrupsy and back on it's feet. I'm
>> not going to list everything that I personally have done, but now
>> they have decided to abandon what worked to get them there.
>>
>> Sounds like the MS route to me.
>>
>
> I still don't get it.  Not once was MNF ever to be given away for
> free.  SNF wasn't, MNF8.2 wasn't, what made everyone think that MNF2
> was any different.
>
> We haven't abandoned anything, we haven't done anything sneaky, we
> haven't robbed you of anything.  We did exactly what we set out to do
> which was to create an enterprise firewall product.  Nothing has
> changed on our end.  Your perception of things seems to have changed
> over time, but I don't understand why.
>
> Did I miss something?  Was everyone told that MNF2 was supposed to be
> free when the betas started rolling and then we snatched it away and
> went back on our word?
>
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