Re: COMPLETELY OT -- Re: [Security-Discuss] Gael Duval

On Monday 20 March 2006 22:06, Vincent Danen wrote:
> * Joe Baker <[email protected]> [2006-03-20 15:37:02 -0600]:
> > > [qateam@mercury main]$ for i in `ls -1 *.rpm`; do rpm -qp --changelog
> > > ${i} 2>/dev/null|grep gduval; done [qateam@mercury main]$ pwd
> > > /mnt/BIG/community/2006.0/SRPMS/main
> > >
> > > By contrast (and keep in mind I'm not even really a developer and
> > > haven't touched by cooker in years):
> > >
> > > [qateam@mercury main]$ for i in `ls -1 *.rpm`; do rpm -qp --changelog
> > > ${i} 2>/dev/null|grep vdanen; done|wc -l 389
> > >
> > > From this, you can probably judge that Gael hasn't been directly
> > > involved with the "production" of the distro in quite some time so his
> > > departure should not impact the "quality" of the distro at all because
> > > he hasn't contributed to the "quality" of the distro at all.  His
> > > responsibilities were in an entirely different area and while I think
> > > he did a fantastic job at them, they are not all reflected by your
> > > comments above.
> > >
> > > If you want to cast doom and gloom speculation about Mandriva and how
> > > Gael's departure is affecting it, you might want to get your facts
> > > straight first.
> >
> > Consider a person of Gael's responsibilities as an operator of sorts.
> > Where might show others how to use the qa.mandriva.com site for filing
> > bugs, and how a person in his position might call attention to a
> > particular filed bug.  These sorts of positions don't have quantifiable
> > value except in loss of customer loyalty.  I don't believe I've ever
> > corresponded with Gael directly.  But he's someone I know by
> > reputation.  I once held such a PR position at a local ISP in the
> > Midwest of the United States (execpc.com)  I was later let go also.  My
> > advice.  Make sure the people inside your company know how important
> > your job is to the bottom line of the company so you don't get let go
> > when money gets tight.
> >
> > I hope he's not permanently laid off.
> >
> > Sorry for being off-topic.  But I'd disagree, I think every employee has
> > a part to play in the "output quality" of any company to varying degrees.
>
> This is off-topic.  You can apologize all you like, but you still had to
> get your digs in.  That's fine, I don't have a problem with that, but
> consider this topic completely OT here.
>
> If you feel the need to discuss this, feel free to discuss it on the
> Club forums, the expert and/or newbie lists, or even cooker for all I
> care.  Please do not continue this thread here.
>
> This has absolutely *nothing* to do with security in any shape or form.
> I think it's great that you want to stick up for Gael (even though I
> think you're elevating his reputation and status a little bit), but
> please do so in other places.  I know this is being discussed to death
> in other places, and that's fine, but please don't do it here.
>
> Thanks.

It does have something to do with security. The "corporatisation" of Mandrake 
has everything to do with the quality of the software, which has been going 
downhill in a demonstrable way since the merger. 

The thing that attracted me to Linux (and Mandrake) in general was the sense 
of community and the sense that us mere users can affect the direction and 
quality of the base software. From your response I see that you don't 
actually care about this. So, I give a big fuck you to you and your new 
employers corporate attitude, and I'm off to use another distribution that 
both maintains the original open source ethos and at the same time is willing 
to expend the effort to make sure that the software itself is of a high 
enough standard. The mere fact that you are dismissing this as completely off 
topic shows exactly where your priorities lie - with you job, and not with 
your users.

Matt
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