COMPLETELY OT -- Re: [Security-Discuss] Gael Duval

* Joe Baker <[email protected]> [2006-03-20 15:37:02 -0600]:

> > [qateam@mercury main]$ for i in `ls -1 *.rpm`; do rpm -qp --changelog ${i} 2>/dev/null|grep gduval; done
> > [qateam@mercury main]$ pwd
> > /mnt/BIG/community/2006.0/SRPMS/main
> >
> > By contrast (and keep in mind I'm not even really a developer and
> > haven't touched by cooker in years):
> >
> > [qateam@mercury main]$ for i in `ls -1 *.rpm`; do rpm -qp --changelog ${i} 2>/dev/null|grep vdanen; done|wc -l
> > 389
> >
> > From this, you can probably judge that Gael hasn't been directly
> > involved with the "production" of the distro in quite some time so his
> > departure should not impact the "quality" of the distro at all because
> > he hasn't contributed to the "quality" of the distro at all.  His
> > responsibilities were in an entirely different area and while I think he
> > did a fantastic job at them, they are not all reflected by your comments
> > above.
> >
> > If you want to cast doom and gloom speculation about Mandriva and how
> > Gael's departure is affecting it, you might want to get your facts
> > straight first.
> >
> >   
> Consider a person of Gael's responsibilities as an operator of sorts. 
> Where might show others how to use the qa.mandriva.com site for filing
> bugs, and how a person in his position might call attention to a
> particular filed bug.  These sorts of positions don't have quantifiable
> value except in loss of customer loyalty.  I don't believe I've ever
> corresponded with Gael directly.  But he's someone I know by
> reputation.  I once held such a PR position at a local ISP in the
> Midwest of the United States (execpc.com)  I was later let go also.  My
> advice.  Make sure the people inside your company know how important
> your job is to the bottom line of the company so you don't get let go
> when money gets tight.
> 
> I hope he's not permanently laid off.
> 
> Sorry for being off-topic.  But I'd disagree, I think every employee has
> a part to play in the "output quality" of any company to varying degrees.

This is off-topic.  You can apologize all you like, but you still had to
get your digs in.  That's fine, I don't have a problem with that, but
consider this topic completely OT here.

If you feel the need to discuss this, feel free to discuss it on the
Club forums, the expert and/or newbie lists, or even cooker for all I
care.  Please do not continue this thread here.

This has absolutely *nothing* to do with security in any shape or form.
I think it's great that you want to stick up for Gael (even though I
think you're elevating his reputation and status a little bit), but
please do so in other places.  I know this is being discussed to death
in other places, and that's fine, but please don't do it here.

Thanks.

-- 
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Wasting time like it was free...

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