Fwd: Fedora Workstation Working Group Meeting Notes, 5 May
Nieves Montero Fernandez via desktop <[email protected]> Mon, 11 May 2026 13:49:39 +0200
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--===============5001017598973704170== Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="00000000000095e90d06518958f6" --00000000000095e90d06518958f6 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000095e90c06518958f5" --00000000000095e90c06518958f5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Attendees - Allan - Chris - Luigi - Matthias - Michael - Neal - Nieves - Tomas Summary Meeting attendees managed administrative processes and coordinated Fedora 45 planning alongside user feedback and feature requests. Administrative and Planning Setup Participants addressed note-taking responsibilities and clarified access issues with meeting minutes. The group initiated planning for Fedora 45 by identifying key feature changes and release requirements. Feedback and Feature Debates Members discussed negative user feedback regarding navigation and desktop functionality. The team evaluated implementation timelines for Flatpak filtering and potential keyboard shortcuts for system monitoring. System Configuration and Resolution A decision was made to avoid downstream schema overrides for the system monitor shortcut request by deferring to upstream policy. Development plans were reviewed for Anaconda keyboard configurations. Next steps - [image: unchecked] [Tom=C3=A1=C5=A1 Popela] Fix Notes: Try figuring out meeting notes acces= s issues. Attempt recreating the meeting for next week. - [image: unchecked] [Tom=C3=A1=C5=A1 Popela] Revive Calendar: Revive the FA 45 planning cale= ndar. Bring any identified items onto the agenda. - [image: unchecked] [Michael Catanzaro] Send Minutes: Manually send Gemini meeting notes to Nieves Montero Fernandez after the meeting. - [image: unchecked] [Luigi Pavan] Implement Filtering: Start focusing on the implementation work for Flatpak filtering for Fedora 45. - [image: unchecked] [Allan Day] Investigate Logout: Look into the reported complaints regarding the missing log out button. - [image: unchecked] [Allan Day] Comment Shortcut: Comment on the upstream shortcut request issue. - [image: unchecked] [Tom=C3=A1=C5=A1 Popela] Comment Shortcut: Add a comment to the Fedora s= hortcut request issue. - [image: unchecked] [Michael Catanzaro] Tackle Keyboard: Tackle the complicated work of implementing language and keyboard selection before the live desktop loa= ds (Issue 511). Assign this ticket to himself. Details - Secretary Assignment and Meeting Minutes Access Issues: Michael Catanzaro described their process for selecting the secretary, which involves cycling through the working group member list and noted that th= e previous secretary was Allan. The current secretary was identified as Nieves Montero Fernandez. There was a significant discussion regarding difficulties accessing the meeting minutes document, as Tom=C3=A1=C5=A1 = Popela reported not having access despite creating the calendar event and sendi= ng an access request. Michael Catanzaro indicated the meeting notes are set= to be sent to invited guests in the organization, and Tom=C3=A1=C5=A1 Popel= a planned to attempt recreating the meeting for the following week to resolve this is= sue. - Secretary Note-Taking Process and Reliance on AI: Nieves Montero Fernandez inquired about their role in taking notes, and Tom=C3=A1=C5=A1= Popela explained that the Gemini AI tool is taking the notes, but the secretary= is expected to review and correct the notes afterward, especially to fix incorrectly identified names. Michael Catanzaro offered to manually send the notes to Nieves Montero Fernandez following the meeting and suggeste= d trusting the AI for the current week, but acknowledged they might need t= o revert to manual notes next week if the process is unsuccessful. - Reviving the Fedora 45 Planning Calendar and Call for Changes: Tom=C3=A1= =C5=A1 Popela brought up the need to revive the Workstation planning calendar, which helps track necessary scheduled items for releases like Fedora (FA= ) 45, as this task had been neglected. The first item on the calendar for = the day was a call for Workstation changes planned for Fedora 45, intended t= o identify big changes or features that should be enabled or re-enabled in Rawhide for additional testing during the development phase. - Proposed Feature Changes for Fedora 45: Matthias Clasen mentioned two specific items for Fedora 45 planning: the agreed-upon change of replaci= ng Log-Kitting with O7, and retiring `dbus-daemon` and replacing it with `dbus-broker`. Matthias Clasen also mentioned they hope to have session saving support fully implemented by the fall, which could be advertised = in the next release. Luigi Pavan raised the topic of Flatpak filtering, whi= ch they noted is currently blocked on changes to the GNOME Software application's preferences dialog. - Discussion of Flatpak Filtering Implementation Timeline: Michael Catanzaro clarified that while Alan Day and Milan are planning to work o= n the GNOME Software configuration changes, no one is currently working on the actual implementation of the Flatpak filter itself. Luigi Pavan expressed willingness to work on the filter and sought confirmation on a= n expected timeline, as they believe the filter implementation could start before the GNOME Software changes land. Michael Catanzaro confirmed they can proceed with the implementation now, but politically they must respe= ct the agreement to ship the filter configuration capability in the same release as the filter, accepting that the release may be delayed if the configuration is not ready. - Negative Feedback on Missing Log Out Button: Matthias Clasen brought up the negative feedback received around the Fedora 40 release regarding th= e disappearance of the Log Out button, which Alan Day was unaware of. Mich= ael Catanzaro confirmed there have been several complaints, explaining that = the GNOME Shell does not display the Log Out option in the system status men= u if the system has only one human user account and one available desktop session. Allan Day offered to look into the issue. - General Desktop Negative Feedback and Micro Stutters: Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) noted that there has been more concentrated negative feedback regarding the disabling of middle-click paste than the Log Out button issue. Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) also highlighted recurrent complaints abo= ut missing application indicator functionality and issues with fractional scaling, as well as micro stutters in applications like Google Chrome. Michael Catanzaro suggested the stuttering issue, which affects the enti= re desktop, is likely GPU related, and recommended trying Chrome's hidden config flags to disable GPU usage for debugging. - Request for System Monitor Keyboard Shortcut: Tom=C3=A1=C5=A1 Popela int= roduced a new business item concerning a request for a keyboard shortcut to launch the system monitor, following the previous discussion about adding a shortcut for the terminal. They noted that the upstream position, shared= by internally by Jack, was to allow terminal launching to be the only such exception. Allan Day suggested differentiating whether this is a theoretical request or an actual need, noting that the System Monitor is more complex than a simple task manager used historically on Windows for killing unresponsive apps. - Decision on System Monitor Shortcut Request: Michael Catanzaro suggested it would be better to add the capability to set a shortcut without actua= lly setting one, to avoid multiple requests for specific apps like System Monitor. Tom=C3=A1=C5=A1 Popela asked if they should defer to upstream, = and Michael Catanzaro stated that the request is not important enough for a downstre= am schema override. Allan Day agreed to comment on the upstream issue to suggest keeping shortcuts limited to a small set of frequently used smal= l utilities, and Tom=C3=A1=C5=A1 Popela will comment on the Fedora issue d= eferring to upstream. - Anaconda Keyboard Configuration Support for Live Session: Tom=C3=A1=C5= =A1 Popela inquired about the status of issue 511, requesting support for a keyboar= d configuration for the Anaconda online environment, which Tom=C3=A1=C5=A1= Popela suspected should be assigned to Michael Catanzaro. Michael Catanzaro confirmed awareness of the issue, which they described as tricky, and no= ted that previous attempts at using `localectl` proved insufficient. Michael Catanzaro plans to try resurrecting patches to move language and keyboar= d layout selection to before launching the live desktop, with the goal of avoiding redundancy by asking the user only once and propagating the settings through the installation process. - Final Reminders and Closing: Matthias Clasen offered a small reminder that they will be traveling the following week and will miss the Tuesday meeting, but will be at the Linux Application Summit (LAS) and might hav= e a trip report in two weeks. Matthias Clasen also mentioned that the group = was discussed on This Week in GNOME (TWIG) in the context of the backporting policy. --00000000000095e90c06518958f5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir= =3D"ltr"><h3 dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.8;margin-top:0pt;margin-bot= tom:8pt"><span style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,31,31);b= ackground-color:transparent;font-weight:500;font-style:normal;font-variant:= normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><= font size=3D"2">Attendees</font></span></h3><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-he= ight:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:4pt"><span style=3D"font-family:Robo= to,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-color:transparent;font-weight:= 400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-ali= gn:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">- Allan</span></p><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D= "line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:4pt"><span style=3D"font-fam= ily:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-color:transparent;font= -weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vert= ical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">- Chris</span></p><p dir=3D"ltr" = style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:4pt"><span style=3D"= font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-color:transpar= ent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:n= one;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">- Luigi</span></p><p dir= =3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:4pt"><span = style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-color= :transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-dec= oration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">- Matthias</span= ></p><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:= 4pt"><span style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);backg= round-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:norm= al;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">- Mic= hael</span></p><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;marg= in-bottom:4pt"><span style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48= ,48);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-va= riant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-w= rap">- Neal</span></p><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0= pt;margin-bottom:4pt"><span style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rg= b(48,48,48);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;= font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-spac= e:pre-wrap">- Nieves</span></p><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38;mar= gin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:4pt"><span style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif= ;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-styl= e:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;w= hite-space:pre-wrap">- Tomas</span></p><h3 dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height= :1.8;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:8pt"><span style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sa= ns-serif;color:rgb(31,31,31);background-color:transparent;font-weight:500;f= ont-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:ba= seline;white-space:pre-wrap"><font size=3D"2">Summary</font></span></h3><p = dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:4pt"><sp= an style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-co= lor:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-= decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Meeting atten= dees managed administrative processes and coordinated Fedora 45 planning al= ongside user feedback and feature requests.</span><span style=3D"font-famil= y:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-color:transparent;font-w= eight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertic= al-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span><span style=3D"font-fami= ly:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-color:transparent;font-= weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;verti= cal-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span><span style=3D"font-fam= ily:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-color:transparent;font= -weight:700;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vert= ical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Administrative and Planning Setup= </span><span style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);bac= kground-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:no= rmal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br= ></span><span style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);ba= ckground-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:n= ormal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Pa= rticipants addressed note-taking responsibilities and clarified access issu= es with meeting minutes. The group initiated planning for Fedora 45 by iden= tifying key feature changes and release requirements.</span><span style=3D"= font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-color:transpar= ent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:n= one;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span><span style=3D= "font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-color:transpa= rent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:= none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span><span style= =3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-color:tran= sparent;font-weight:700;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decorati= on:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Feedback and Feature = Debates</span><span style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,= 48);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-var= iant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wr= ap"><br></span><span style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48= ,48);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-va= riant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-w= rap">Members discussed negative user feedback regarding navigation and desk= top functionality. The team evaluated implementation timelines for Flatpak = filtering and potential keyboard shortcuts for system monitoring.</span><sp= an style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-co= lor:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-= decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span><s= pan style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-c= olor:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text= -decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span><= span style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-= color:transparent;font-weight:700;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;tex= t-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">System Conf= iguration and Resolution</span><span style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif= ;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-styl= e:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;w= hite-space:pre-wrap"><br></span><span style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-seri= f;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-sty= le:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;= white-space:pre-wrap">A decision was made to avoid downstream schema overri= des for the system monitor shortcut request by deferring to upstream policy= . Development plans were reviewed for Anaconda keyboard configurations.</sp= an></p><h3 dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.8;margin-top:0pt;margin-botto= m:8pt"><span style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,31,31);bac= kground-color:transparent;font-weight:500;font-style:normal;font-variant:no= rmal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><fo= nt size=3D"2">Next steps</font></span></h3><ul style=3D"margin-top:0px;marg= in-bottom:0px"><li dir=3D"ltr" role=3D"checkbox" aria-checked=3D"false" sty= le=3D"list-style-type:none;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);ba= ckground-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:n= ormal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><i= mg src=3D"cid:ii_mot1w6ro0" alt=3D"unchecked" width=3D"18" height=3D"18"><p= dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-bottom:4pt;display:inline-blo= ck;vertical-align:top;margin-top:0px" role=3D"presentation"><span style=3D"= font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-color:transpar= ent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:n= one;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">[Tom=C3=A1=C5=A1 Popela] = Fix Notes: Try figuring out meeting notes access issues. Attempt recreating= the meeting for next week.</span></p></li><li dir=3D"ltr" role=3D"checkbox= " aria-checked=3D"false" style=3D"list-style-type:none;font-family:Arial,sa= ns-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font= -style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:basel= ine;white-space:pre-wrap"><img src=3D"cid:ii_mot1w6rq1" alt=3D"unchecked" w= idth=3D"18" height=3D"18"><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-b= ottom:4pt;display:inline-block;vertical-align:top;margin-top:0px" role=3D"p= resentation"><span style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,4= 8);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-vari= ant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wra= p">[Tom=C3=A1=C5=A1 Popela] Revive Calendar: Revive the FA 45 planning cale= ndar. Bring any identified items onto the agenda.</span></p></li><li dir=3D= "ltr" role=3D"checkbox" aria-checked=3D"false" style=3D"list-style-type:non= e;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparen= t;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:non= e;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><img src=3D"cid:ii_mot1w6rr= 2" alt=3D"unchecked" width=3D"18" height=3D"18"><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"lin= e-height:1.38;margin-bottom:4pt;display:inline-block;vertical-align:top;mar= gin-top:0px" role=3D"presentation"><span style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-s= erif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-= style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseli= ne;white-space:pre-wrap">[Michael Catanzaro] Send Minutes: Manually send Ge= mini meeting notes to Nieves Montero Fernandez after the meeting.</span></p= ></li><li dir=3D"ltr" role=3D"checkbox" aria-checked=3D"false" style=3D"lis= t-style-type:none;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-= color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;tex= t-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><img src=3D= "cid:ii_mot1w6rs3" alt=3D"unchecked" width=3D"18" height=3D"18"><p dir=3D"l= tr" style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-bottom:4pt;display:inline-block;vertic= al-align:top;margin-top:0px" role=3D"presentation"><span style=3D"font-fami= ly:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-color:transparent;font-= weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;verti= cal-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">[Luigi Pavan] Implement Filtering:= Start focusing on the implementation work for Flatpak filtering for Fedora= 45.</span></p></li><li dir=3D"ltr" role=3D"checkbox" aria-checked=3D"false= " style=3D"list-style-type:none;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,= 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-vari= ant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wra= p"><img src=3D"cid:ii_mot1w6rs4" alt=3D"unchecked" width=3D"18" height=3D"1= 8"><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-bottom:4pt;display:inlin= e-block;vertical-align:top;margin-top:0px" role=3D"presentation"><span styl= e=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-color:tra= nsparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decorat= ion:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">[Allan Day] Investig= ate Logout: Look into the reported complaints regarding the missing log out= button.</span></p></li><li dir=3D"ltr" role=3D"checkbox" aria-checked=3D"f= alse" style=3D"list-style-type:none;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(= 0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-= variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre= -wrap"><img src=3D"cid:ii_mot1w6rt5" alt=3D"unchecked" width=3D"18" height= =3D"18"><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-bottom:4pt;display:= inline-block;vertical-align:top;margin-top:0px" role=3D"presentation"><span= style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-colo= r:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-de= coration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">[Allan Day] Com= ment Shortcut: Comment on the upstream shortcut request issue.</span></p></= li><li dir=3D"ltr" role=3D"checkbox" aria-checked=3D"false" style=3D"list-s= tyle-type:none;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-col= or:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-d= ecoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><img src=3D"ci= d:ii_mot1w6ru6" alt=3D"unchecked" width=3D"18" height=3D"18"><p dir=3D"ltr"= style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-bottom:4pt;display:inline-block;vertical-= align:top;margin-top:0px" role=3D"presentation"><span style=3D"font-family:= Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-color:transparent;font-wei= ght:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical= -align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">[Tom=C3=A1=C5=A1 Popela] Comment Shor= tcut: Add a comment to the Fedora shortcut request issue.</span></p></li><l= i dir=3D"ltr" role=3D"checkbox" aria-checked=3D"false" style=3D"list-style-= type:none;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:tr= ansparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decora= tion:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><img src=3D"cid:ii_= mot1w6rv7" alt=3D"unchecked" width=3D"18" height=3D"18"><p dir=3D"ltr" styl= e=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-bottom:4pt;display:inline-block;vertical-align= :top;margin-top:0px" role=3D"presentation"><span style=3D"font-family:Robot= o,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-color:transparent;font-weight:4= 00;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-alig= n:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">[Michael Catanzaro] Tackle Keyboard: Tackl= e the complicated work of implementing language and keyboard selection befo= re the live desktop loads (Issue 511). Assign this ticket to himself.</span= ></p></li></ul><h3 dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.8;margin-top:0pt;marg= in-bottom:8pt"><span style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,31= ,31);background-color:transparent;font-weight:500;font-style:normal;font-va= riant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-w= rap"><font size=3D"2">Details</font></span></h3><p style=3D"box-sizing:bord= er-box;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:1rem;white-space:pre-wrap;color:rgb(33,= 37,41);font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Ro= boto,"Helvetica Neue",Arial,"Noto Sans",sans-serif,&quo= t;Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol&= quot;,"Noto Color Emoji""></p><ul style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-= bottom:0px"><li dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"list-style-type:disc;font-family:Arial= ,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;f= ont-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:ba= seline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38;margi= n-top:0pt;margin-bottom:8pt" role=3D"presentation"><span style=3D"font-fami= ly:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-color:transparent;font-= weight:700;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;verti= cal-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Secretary Assignment and Meeting M= inutes Access Issues</span><span style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;col= or:rgb(48,48,48);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:no= rmal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white= -space:pre-wrap">: Michael Catanzaro described their process for selecting = the secretary, which involves cycling through the working group member list= and noted that the previous secretary was Allan. The current secretary was= identified as Nieves Montero Fernandez. There was a significant discussion= regarding difficulties accessing the meeting minutes document, as Tom=C3= =A1=C5=A1 Popela reported not having access despite creating the calendar e= vent and sending an access request. Michael Catanzaro indicated the meeting= notes are set to be sent to invited guests in the organization, and Tom=C3= =A1=C5=A1 Popela planned to attempt recreating the meeting for the followin= g week to resolve this issue.</span></p></li><li dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"list-= style-type:disc;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-co= lor:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-= decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir=3D"ltr= " style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:8pt" role=3D"prese= ntation"><span style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);b= ackground-color:transparent;font-weight:700;font-style:normal;font-variant:= normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">S= ecretary Note-Taking Process and Reliance on AI</span><span style=3D"font-f= amily:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-color:transparent;fo= nt-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;ve= rtical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">: Nieves Montero Fernandez inqu= ired about their role in taking notes, and Tom=C3=A1=C5=A1 Popela explained= that the Gemini AI tool is taking the notes, but the secretary is expected= to review and correct the notes afterward, especially to fix incorrectly i= dentified names. Michael Catanzaro offered to manually send the notes to Ni= eves Montero Fernandez following the meeting and suggested trusting the AI = for the current week, but acknowledged they might need to revert to manual = notes next week if the process is unsuccessful.</span></p></li><li dir=3D"l= tr" style=3D"list-style-type:disc;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,= 0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-va= riant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-w= rap"><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:= 8pt" role=3D"presentation"><span style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;col= or:rgb(48,48,48);background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;font-style:no= rmal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white= -space:pre-wrap">Reviving the Fedora 45 Planning Calendar and Call for Chan= ges</span><span style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);= background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant= :normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">= : Tom=C3=A1=C5=A1 Popela brought up the need to revive the Workstation plan= ning calendar, which helps track necessary scheduled items for releases lik= e Fedora (FA) 45, as this task had been neglected. The first item on the ca= lendar for the day was a call for Workstation changes planned for Fedora 45= , intended to identify big changes or features that should be enabled or re= -enabled in Rawhide for additional testing during the development phase.</s= pan></p></li><li dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"list-style-type:disc;font-family:Aria= l,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;= font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:b= aseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38;marg= in-top:0pt;margin-bottom:8pt" role=3D"presentation"><span style=3D"font-fam= ily:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-color:transparent;font= -weight:700;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vert= ical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Proposed Feature Changes for Fedo= ra 45</span><span style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48= );background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-varia= nt:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap= ">: Matthias Clasen mentioned two specific items for Fedora 45 planning: th= e agreed-upon change of replacing Log-Kitting with O7, and retiring `dbus-d= aemon` and replacing it with `dbus-broker`. Matthias Clasen also mentioned = they hope to have session saving support fully implemented by the fall, whi= ch could be advertised in the next release. Luigi Pavan raised the topic of= Flatpak filtering, which they noted is currently blocked on changes to the= GNOME Software application's preferences dialog.</span></p></li><li di= r=3D"ltr" style=3D"list-style-type:disc;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:= rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;f= ont-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space= :pre-wrap"><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-b= ottom:8pt" role=3D"presentation"><span style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-ser= if;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;font-st= yle:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline= ;white-space:pre-wrap">Discussion of Flatpak Filtering Implementation Timel= ine</span><span style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);= background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant= :normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">= : Michael Catanzaro clarified that while Alan Day and Milan are planning to= work on the GNOME Software configuration changes, no one is currently work= ing on the actual implementation of the Flatpak filter itself. Luigi Pavan = expressed willingness to work on the filter and sought confirmation on an e= xpected timeline, as they believe the filter implementation could start bef= ore the GNOME Software changes land. Michael Catanzaro confirmed they can p= roceed with the implementation now, but politically they must respect the a= greement to ship the filter configuration capability in the same release as= the filter, accepting that the release may be delayed if the configuration= is not ready.</span></p></li><li dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"list-style-type:disc= ;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent= ;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none= ;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line= -height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:8pt" role=3D"presentation"><span = style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-color= :transparent;font-weight:700;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-dec= oration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Negative Feedbac= k on Missing Log Out Button</span><span style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-se= rif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-s= tyle:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baselin= e;white-space:pre-wrap">: Matthias Clasen brought up the negative feedback = received around the Fedora 40 release regarding the disappearance of the Lo= g Out button, which Alan Day was unaware of. Michael Catanzaro confirmed th= ere have been several complaints, explaining that the GNOME Shell does not = display the Log Out option in the system status menu if the system has only= one human user account and one available desktop session. Allan Day offere= d to look into the issue.</span></p></li><li dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"list-styl= e-type:disc;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:= transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-deco= ration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir=3D"ltr" st= yle=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:8pt" role=3D"presentat= ion"><span style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);backg= round-color:transparent;font-weight:700;font-style:normal;font-variant:norm= al;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Gener= al Desktop Negative Feedback and Micro Stutters</span><span style=3D"font-f= amily:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-color:transparent;fo= nt-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;ve= rtical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">: Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) noted= that there has been more concentrated negative feedback regarding the disa= bling of middle-click paste than the Log Out button issue. Neal Gompa (Cona= n Kudo) also highlighted recurrent complaints about missing application ind= icator functionality and issues with fractional scaling, as well as micro s= tutters in applications like Google Chrome. Michael Catanzaro suggested the= stuttering issue, which affects the entire desktop, is likely GPU related,= and recommended trying Chrome's hidden config flags to disable GPU usa= ge for debugging.</span></p></li><li dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"list-style-type:d= isc;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transpar= ent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:n= one;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"l= ine-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:8pt" role=3D"presentation"><sp= an style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-co= lor:transparent;font-weight:700;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-= decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Request for S= ystem Monitor Keyboard Shortcut</span><span style=3D"font-family:Roboto,san= s-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;fo= nt-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:bas= eline;white-space:pre-wrap">: Tom=C3=A1=C5=A1 Popela introduced a new busin= ess item concerning a request for a keyboard shortcut to launch the system = monitor, following the previous discussion about adding a shortcut for the = terminal. They noted that the upstream position, shared by internally by Ja= ck, was to allow terminal launching to be the only such exception. Allan Da= y suggested differentiating whether this is a theoretical request or an act= ual need, noting that the System Monitor is more complex than a simple task= manager used historically on Windows for killing unresponsive apps.</span>= </p></li><li dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"list-style-type:disc;font-family:Arial,sa= ns-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font= -style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:basel= ine;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-t= op:0pt;margin-bottom:8pt" role=3D"presentation"><span style=3D"font-family:= Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-color:transparent;font-wei= ght:700;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical= -align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Decision on System Monitor Shortcut R= equest</span><span style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,4= 8);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-vari= ant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wra= p">: Michael Catanzaro suggested it would be better to add the capability t= o set a shortcut without actually setting one, to avoid multiple requests f= or specific apps like System Monitor. Tom=C3=A1=C5=A1 Popela asked if they = should defer to upstream, and Michael Catanzaro stated that the request is = not important enough for a downstream schema override. Allan Day agreed to = comment on the upstream issue to suggest keeping shortcuts limited to a sma= ll set of frequently used small utilities, and Tom=C3=A1=C5=A1 Popela will = comment on the Fedora issue deferring to upstream.</span></p></li><li dir= =3D"ltr" style=3D"list-style-type:disc;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:r= gb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;fo= nt-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:= pre-wrap"><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bo= ttom:8pt" role=3D"presentation"><span style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-seri= f;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;font-sty= le:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;= white-space:pre-wrap">Anaconda Keyboard Configuration Support for Live Sess= ion</span><span style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);= background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant= :normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">= : Tom=C3=A1=C5=A1 Popela inquired about the status of issue 511, requesting= support for a keyboard configuration for the Anaconda online environment, = which Tom=C3=A1=C5=A1 Popela suspected should be assigned to Michael Catanz= aro. Michael Catanzaro confirmed awareness of the issue, which they describ= ed as tricky, and noted that previous attempts at using `localectl` proved = insufficient. Michael Catanzaro plans to try resurrecting patches to move l= anguage and keyboard layout selection to before launching the live desktop,= with the goal of avoiding redundancy by asking the user only once and prop= agating the settings through the installation process.</span></p></li><li d= ir=3D"ltr" style=3D"list-style-type:disc;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color= :rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;= font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-spac= e:pre-wrap"><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-= bottom:8pt" role=3D"presentation"><span style=3D"font-family:Roboto,sans-se= rif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;font-s= tyle:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baselin= e;white-space:pre-wrap">Final Reminders and Closing</span><span style=3D"fo= nt-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(48,48,48);background-color:transparen= t;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:non= e;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">: Matthias Clasen offered a= small reminder that they will be traveling the following week and will mis= s the Tuesday meeting, but will be at the Linux Application Summit (LAS) an= d might have a trip report in two weeks. Matthias Clasen also mentioned tha= t the group was discussed on This Week in GNOME (TWIG) in the context of th= e backporting policy.</span></p></li></ul></div> </div></div> --00000000000095e90c06518958f5-- --00000000000095e90d06518958f6 Content-Type: image/png; name="image.png" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="image.png" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <ii_mot1w6rq1> X-Attachment-Id: ii_mot1w6rq1 iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAEgAAABICAYAAABV7bNHAAAA1ElEQVR4Ae3bMQ4BURSFYY2xBuwQ 7BIkTGxFRj9Oo9RdkXn5TvL3L19u+2ZmZmZmZhVbpH26pFcaJ9IrndMudb/CWadHGiden1bll9MI zqd79SUd0thY20qga4NA50qgoUGgoRJo/NL/V/N+QIAAAQIECBAgQIAAAQIECBAgQIAAAQIECBAg QIAAAQIECBAgQIAAAQIECBAgQIAAAQIEyFeEZyXQpUGgUyXQrkGgTSVQl/qGcG5pnkq3Sn0jOMv0 k3Vpm05pmNjfsGPalFyOmZmZmdkbSS9cKbtzhxMAAAAASUVORK5CYII= --00000000000095e90d06518958f6 Content-Type: image/png; name="image.png" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="image.png" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <ii_mot1w6ro0> X-Attachment-Id: ii_mot1w6ro0 iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAEgAAABICAYAAABV7bNHAAAA1ElEQVR4Ae3bMQ4BURSFYY2xBuwQ 7BIkTGxFRj9Oo9RdkXn5TvL3L19u+2ZmZmZmZhVbpH26pFcaJ9IrndMudb/CWadHGiden1bll9MI zqd79SUd0thY20qga4NA50qgoUGgoRJo/NL/V/N+QIAAAQIECBAgQIAAAQIECBAgQIAAAQIECBAg QIAAAQIECBAgQIAAAQIECBAgQIAAAQIEyFeEZyXQpUGgUyXQrkGgTSVQl/qGcG5pnkq3Sn0jOMv0 k3Vpm05pmNjfsGPalFyOmZmZmdkbSS9cKbtzhxMAAAAASUVORK5CYII= --00000000000095e90d06518958f6 Content-Type: image/png; 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