Re: Revisiting the translation freeze policies

Hi Randy

Pls see inline. I might be responding slow due to my paid work, but I hope
this is not too late yet.

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 5:42 AM, Jean-Baptiste Holcroft <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Le 25/09/2017 à 21:18, Randy Barlow a écrit :
>
>> Greetings!
>>
>> During Friday's FESCo meeting[0] we were asked to approve a change to
>> the release schedule to accommodate translation string freeze deadlines
>> that somehow got left out of the new "no-alphas" schedule.
>>
>> Several participants pointed out that Fedora has not enforced the
>> "string freeze" in many years, despite it being on the schedule until
>> now. Thus, we would like to revisit the string freeze policy to
>> determine if it is still valuable, and if so, how can/should it be
>> enforced?
>>
>> We'd like to explore a couple of questions:
>>
>> * What exact things are frozen? Things like comps make sense to follow
>>    Fedora freezes, but do things like anaconda? or system-config-printer?
>>
>> * Can we automate some way of enforcing or at least detecting when
>>    something changes a string in the freeze?
>>
>> This ticket tracks the issue:
>>
>> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1777
>>
> Hi Randy,
>
> well, I think this was discussed already twice.
>
> First, the link you already had for your meeting:
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[email protected]
> doraproject.org/thread/XVX4YQCN4MVCHBSSNXMAWOFGMNSUAUTR/
> Second, in our last meeting: https://lists.fedoraproject.or
> g/archives/list/[email protected]/message/L52XG2
> XKGVSGORL5GRBHCETOOWBXP224/
>
> * First question: "What exact things are frozen? Things like comps make
> sense to follow Fedora freezes, but do things like anaconda? or
> system-config-printer?"
>
>      * My suggestion would be to get some help from Fesco to make our
> translator list (priority package from Zanata) an distribution-wide list.
>      * As we know, there is no way to force this, only communicate and
> convince upstream that it's a benefit for everyone.
>


 +1, to Jean-Baptiste
Let me add a bit of what exactly would be helpful for us.

I strongly hope, many of packages should be able to follow the software
string freeze just being implemented recently by Jan. Could you confirm
this works on your side? In case not, we have to discuss further.

I understand that you are pointing some specific packages which likely need
changes after the deadline, such as comps, anaconda, etc. For these, most
likely and hystorically, translation team could/can accommodate late
change, if a developer explicitly inform us.

So one step up, let me propose/ask my idea if it works;
Can you of FESCO (and developers) coordinate/collect the information of
which packages need to get translation update after the deadline (aka last
minute change) from the developers, and inform us with the break list with
the date by when the developers would like to receive the translation
update?



>  * Second question: "Can we automate some way of enforcing or at least
> detecting when something changes a string in the freeze?"
>
>      * We are doing a proof of concept with transtats for F28, if this
> works, it should answer the question
>


For this, I think, a developer knows a change cz he makes a change (aka
accountable). As above, some coordination and communication would help here
a lot, I believe. Btw, it would be nice to have an automate tool.

Thanks for reading me.

noriko



> I don't think we can go any further for now, the subject is wide, and the
> solution is not trivial.
> Our next meeting is Monday (October 9th), if no more reaction either here
> or in https://pagure.io/g11n/issue/42 I think we should use this as work
> hypotheses for the 1st question, and reopen the automation subject after
> our proof of concept.
>
> Have a nice day,
>
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
>
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