Re: Self-Introduction: Carmen — Esperanto (also: How to add a new language in Zanata)

Carmen Bianca Bakker <[email protected]> Tue, 30 Oct 2018 12:53:39 +0100
Newsgroups	gmane.linux.redhat.internationalization
Message-ID	<[email protected]>
Hello Rafal,

Thank you very much for your kind response.

On mar, 2018-10-30 at 11:54 +0100, Rafal Luzynski wrote:
> > I've been looking into it as well.  It's a rabbit hole that goes quite
> > deep, because the glibc maintainers did not upstream Esperanto for the
> > longest time.  In the end Esperanto has been added without region.  So
> > where a normal locale is "nl_NL.UTF_8", Esperanto has "eo.UTF-8".
> 
> If I understand correctly, these problems are solved now. Otherwise,
> as a locale data maintainer for glibc project I'll be happy to fix
> them. You can contact me directly but better file a bug report here:
> https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/

You're right most of it has been fixed.  The problem, however, is
projects depending on a country being available.  Python's `locale`
library behaves weirdly with Esperanto, and all sorts of downstream
packages need to specially account for Esperanto because it's the odd
one out---usually resulting in it being ignored entirely, because to be
frank, Esperanto isn't the most common language.  And that's totally
understandable.

It's really a downstream problem, not a glibc problem.

Even so, a bug report to glibc is currently on my to-do list.  I want to
make sure I do it right, though, so I've been tallying the possible
solutions for a little while.  Esperanto needs a "country" so that it's
not constantly broken downstream:

- Create "eo_NL" in the spirit of "ia_FR": Just pick a country (or a lot
  of countries) and implement it.

- Create "eo_XX" or "eo_EO" with a fake "Esperantujo" country and
  currency.

- Create "eo_XX" or "eo_EO" that is identical to the current "eo"
  without actually adding any country information.

- Any combination of the above.

I'll probably create that bug report some time this week.  I really just
want to make sure I don't get something horrendously wrong.  I'll send
you a link to the bug report when I make it, if that's okay with you.

> > I've been reading the glibc.src.rpm cursorily, but I can't really find a
> > cause for this yet.  Mostly because I don't know Lua so well.  My
> > suspicion was the thing that _always_ causes problems: Esperanto is the
> > only locale that doesn't have a region.  But in the places where it
> > matters, the specfile appears to specifically account for that.
> > 
> > I'll send a bug report to the Fedora glibc maintainers, to see if they
> > can figure it out maybe.
> 
> Definitely it's a packaging bug in Fedora, not even upstream, and it seems
> to be easy to fix. Have you filed your bug report?

Yes :-)

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1643756

I would've also proposed a fix if I knew how to find the problem.  But
if you can find it, you have my thanks.

Best regards,
Carmen

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