Re: Automatic Nikud insertion

Hi Sivan,
I believe that Dov's intent is to use his heuristic for the initial=20
placement and then do the fine tuning by hand, and not to try to do=20
automatic placement. This is from off-list discussions about a month ago.

I thank you for volunteering to help, but I think that VOLT is probably=20
not the tool for us, since Dov, Maxim and I are in the FOSS camp and AFAI=
K=20
the Culmus fonts have been maintained with FOSS tools so far. If you coul=
d=20
help Dov with FontForge that would be great.
Thanks,

  - yba


On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, Sivan Toledo wrote:

> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:52:13 +0200
> From: Sivan Toledo <stoledo-Uo0HRlKCksNmR6Xm/[email protected]>
> Reply-To: Ivrix Discussions <[email protected]>
> To: Ivrix Discussions <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Automatic Nikud insertion
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> I am not sure why Dov is trying to do this automatically. Placing NIKUD=
 is=20
> exciting and I agree with Jonathan that Dov's program is an excellent s=
tart,=20
> but I am not sure that this is really needed.
>
>
> The NIKUD can be placed visually in both fontforge (which I assume is s=
till=20
> used for maintaining the sources of the Culmus fonts) and also in a fre=
e=20
> Microsoft tool called VOLT. Both produce the required GPOS table. From =
my=20
> experience, doing this visual editing for a font does not take long. It=
 is=20
> also possible to write a script that will generate an initial placement=
 that=20
> can be then adjusted for difficult letter/nikud pairs.
>
>
> My sense is that this requires less effort than to write an automatic p=
rogram=20
> that does a good job in every case.
>
>
> Perhaps Dov's code can be used to insert some reasonable initial placem=
ents=20
> in the SPD file (the fontforge source), which will then be visually edi=
ted in=20
> fontforge.
>
>
> I am sorry that I cannot offer to do this myself (I am too busy), but I=
 will=20
> be happy to show somebody how to use VOLT and how to partially automate=
 the=20
> process with a script that will generate an initial placement for VOLT.
>
>
> Sivan
>
>
> Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
>
>> Hi Dov,
>> This is an excellent start. Of course, it's still a long way from the=20
>> quality that we need for OpenOffice.
>>=20
>> 1. The HEBREW POINT DAGESH in the HEBREW LETTER SHIN of =E4=F9=EE=E9=ED=
 is misplaced.
>>=20
>> 2. The HEBREW POINT HOLAM after the HEBREW LETTER HET in =E7=F9=EA eli=
des with=20
>> the HEBREW POINT SHIN DOT above the HEBREW LETTER SHIN.
>>=20
>> 3. The HEBREW POINT PATAH under the HEBREW LETTER AYIN in =F2=EC elide=
s with=20
>> the HEBREW LETTER AYIN itself.
>>=20
>> 4. The HEBREW PUNCTUATION MAQAF (if that's what it is and not a LATIN=20
>> HYPHEN-MINUS in =F2=EC-=F4=F0=E9 is too far from the HEBREW LETTER LAM=
ED.
>>=20
>> In addition  to the above placement problems, the HEBREW POINT HATAF S=
EGOL=20
>> is slightly malformed - the horizontal dots of the segol portion of th=
e=20
>> HEBREW POINT HATAF SEGOL need to be separated a bit.
>>=20
>> Regards,
>>
>>  - yba
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, Dov Grobgeld wrote:
>>=20
>>> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 06:30:57 +0200
>>> From: Dov Grobgeld <[email protected]>
>>> Reply-To: Ivrix Discussions <[email protected]>
>>> To: Ivrix Discussions <[email protected]>
>>> Subject: Automatic Nikud insertion
>>>=20
>>> Good morning,
>>>=20
>>> I wipped together a web page with work in progress. See:
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>>> http://imagic.weizmann.ac.il/~dov/Hebrew/AutoNikud/
>>>=20
>>> Have fun and send comments.
>>>=20
>>> Regards,
>>> Dov
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