Re: Cut-Copy/Paste behavior

Lawrence MacIntyre <[email protected]>
Newsgroups gmane.linux.usability.annoyances
Organization High Performance Information Infrastructure Group
Message-ID <1063215896.1433.94.camel@nautique>
Ken:

Not at all.  If you read my post, it started thusly:

RB:

I think you now know who it was for, and that it was appropriate.  You
are absolutely right about the cut-and-paste behaviour.  While it can be
made to work, it is not consistent from application to application. 
However, there is hope.  Read this article from ars technica:

http://arstechnica.com/reviews/003/software/gnome-2.4/gnome2.4-1.html

(Note that I double-clicked on the address while I was displaying the
page in FireBird and middle-clicked it into this message in Evolution)

The reason the bug stayed there so long is that it really belongs to the
underlying system, not to Mozilla.  However, the underlying system is
now ready to accept the fix (finally!!!).

I don't think that it is important to mimic the MS cut-and-paste
behaviour, and I also don't think that is is important NOT to mimic it. 
It is, however, important to make it consistent.  Configurable would be
nice, but consistent is very important.

On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 13:22, Ken Arromdee wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Lawrence MacIntyre wrote:
> > Calling people names doesn't help anyone and only makes you look bad. 
> > When Dee-Ann writes her book, she's not going to find anything useful in
> > your posts, but then nobody else found anything useful in them either. 
> > Please limit your replies to useful suggestions (I'm dreaming there) and
> > complaints (much more likely, but so far, we've seen only name-calling).
> 
> You're not seriously suggesting my post detailing the problem was name-calling,
> I hope?
> 
> If you want a useful suggestion, I'd suggest this:
> 1) Make ^C, ^V, and the menu use the same buffer that left-click/middle-click
> do.  Get rid of the extra buffer.
> 2) The ability to paste text that is currently highlighted just is not
> consistent with the ability to highlight text but paste something else onto
> it.  Linux tries to do the former, while a lot of people, especially Windows
> users, find the latter much more useful.  There needs to be some way for the
> user to choose the two behaviors, either by having two methods of pasting, or
> by having some kind of user-settable option controlling the behavior of paste.
> Too many options are a bad idea, but this one seems necessary.
> 3) At the very least, buggy applications should be fixed.  Mozilla doesn't
> implement even the weird Linux cut and paste method properly.  The response
> to someone pointing out those bugs should not be "use another application"
> when the application is as prominent as Mozilla.  And once the bug is
> reported, fixing it should not take 3 years.  Bugs that have been around a
> while should be given higher priority for fixing.
> 
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    Lawrence MacIntyre     865.574.8696     [email protected]
               Oak Ridge National Laboratory
High Performance Information Infrastructure Technology Group
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