RE: Classic case of why Linux ultimately must fail

Cool down, boy.

No point in following this conversation.

Have a nice day!

Pablo

> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: annoyances-bounces-DzJonyRHso41Ayx8vbq1stBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org 
> [mailto:annoyances-bounces-DzJonyRHso41Ayx8vbq1stBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org] En nombre de 
> Eric G Ortego
> Enviado el: miércoles, 15 de octubre de 2003 01:00
> Para: Seeking Linux annoyances for a book.
> Asunto: Re: [Annoyances] Classic case of why Linux ultimately 
> must fail
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Pablo Vieira wrote:
> 
> >(Knock, knock, anybody home McFly???) You must be joking, but anyway:
> >
> >1. Dex was wrong about the attitude towards someone who 
> clearly feels 
> >insulted by the classic arrogance of Linux gurus and fans (read the 
> >subject and you'll get the feeling). My suggestion is always be kind 
> >and if someone doesn't like you just smile gently and 
> explain yourself 
> >or shut up, but don't tell people to go away, especially in 
> behalf of 
> >others or if you don't own the place. You guys should look 
> around you 
> >and see how many people won't even try Linux because of people like 
> >you.
> >
> Classic arrogance of Linux gurus and fans?  You must be St.Peter with 
> that holier then thou additude.
> Who do you think you are to critisize a few million people all in one 
> statement?
> I look arround me and see an entire state of people that 
> attend meetings 
> <http://www.nolug.org/> I schedule, attend, participate in , learn, 
> debate, and enjoy with others.
> How many LUGs do you participate in?  Who have you helped learn 
> something out of the goodness of your heart or the intrests 
> of a group? You know nothing of what I bring or takeaway from 
> Linux, to assume that 
> you do just proves how egotistical you are.
> I'm not a Linux advocate, you clearly must be illiterate, 
> here Ill quote 
> myself for you again "I don't care If they ever want to use 
> Linux." I enjoy  it I enjoy learning it I enjoy teaching it, 
> percisely why I 
> joined this mailing list.
> 
> >
> >2. If you really want me to explain how and why I'm using the term 
> >"mortal", well, I won't do it. Please attend some literature course. 
> >ASAP.
> >
> Dodging bullets like a true immortal. You suggesting lessons in 
> literature really is a pathetic jibe.
> 
> >
> >I don't get easily bored by any conversation and I won't 
> quit this list 
> >(even if someone like Dex, you or any other one suggests 
> so), since I'm 
> >having an amusing time reading about another big annoyance 
> with Linux: 
> >conversations like this one (you wont't find them in Windows world, 
> >certainly, and since Mac fans grew up you won't find them 
> there either, 
> >not so frequently at least).
> >
> Diareah of the mouth... what is that?
> 
> >Also, I subscribed this list because there's a fellow 
> wanting to write 
> >a book about what's wrong with Linux according to people's 
> experiences, which I applaud.  If you just listen to some 
> Linux fans you might end up thinking this OS is the answer to 
> all our problems
> >
>  I do listen to Linux fans, on a daily basis and I have yet 
> to meet a Linux guru who thought Linux could solve the 
> national Budget, world hunger, or all *of* our problems.
> 
> Your truely a dumbass. He is writing a book on linux annoyances not 
> whats wrong with linux.
> 
> Here mabe this will help,
> *an·noy·ance*  (-noins)/ n./
> 
>    1. The act of annoying or the state of being annoyed.
>    2. A cause of irritation or vexation; a nuisance.
> 
> i.e.: Pablo Vieira has annoyed Eric.
> 
> >(while stubborn reality shows quite the opposite,
> >sometimes). He surely has got some of my opinions now, and 
> that's the 
> >whole point of writing here.
> >
> >Regards.
> >
> >Pablo
> >
> You have still dodged most of my questions about your 
> accusations. What exactly do you hope to accomplish by 
> belittleing linux supporters 
> with your acervation of insults?
> You want us to smile at you and your disciples while you blabber 
> religious rhetoric and lift yourself up on high above all the 
> "arrogant 
> linux gurus."
> Look guy, you want to think I am arrogant the linux community is 
> arrogant, what ever do so, I simply cannot tollerate unsupported 
> sterotyping and accusations.
> You have yet to provide anything relevent to support your accusations 
> and you dodge questions add more sterotype insults for 
> answers and claim 
> an almighty stance.
> 
> 
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >>-----Mensaje original-----
> >>De: annoyances-bounces-DzJonyRHso41Ayx8vbq1stBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org
> >>[mailto:annoyances-bounces-DzJonyRHso41Ayx8vbq1stBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org] En nombre de 
> >>Eric G Ortego
> >>Enviado el: martes, 14 de octubre de 2003 22:20
> >>Para: Seeking Linux annoyances for a book.
> >>Asunto: Re: [Annoyances] Classic case of why Linux ultimately 
> >>must fail
> >>
> >>
> >>Against my better judgement Ill continue...
> >>First off you failed to answer what Dex was quite wrong
> >>about. Secondly you never cleared up what additude it was 
> >>that is keeping 
> >>mortals away from Linux and exactly which immortals are useing it.
> >>
> >>Pablo Vieira wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>OK, here is one huge annoyance of Linux which relates this
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>thread with
> >>    
> >>
> >>>the list: Linux geeks believing they have the truth. Linux gurus
> >>>explaining to the world the Holy word.
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>What is this truth you keep refering to?  Let me in on what
> >>the "Linux 
> >>Geeks" are preaching to the "regular mortals".
> >>What is this Holy Word? Why hasn't a Linux guru explained to me the 
> >>HolyWord?
> >>I cannot imagine that I've been useing Linux for almost 5 
> >>years and have 
> >>yet to hear this Holy Word of the guru.
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>All that bullshit the original
> >>>poster was referring to is VERY annoying.
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>So is this drivle.
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>What people who use Linux should do with people annoyed like the
> >>>original poster is ask them not to leave Linux forums and 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>show them a
> >>    
> >>
> >>>smile instead of all the despise and all the wrath against Windows,
> >>>Microsoft, propietary software, etc. you are so fond of.
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>Are you suggesting that I am fond of Microsoft , fond of
> >>wrath against 
> >>Microsoft, fond of proprietary software, or a smile?
> >>Im lost in you blabber. Beside noone asked him to leave he 
> >>did it on his 
> >>own.
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>All that MS bashing is showing a big complex of inferiority in this
> >>>community which is itself another huge Linux annoyance.
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>I suggest you RTFT before posting. Microsoft has not once
> >>been mentioned 
> >>in a negative manner in this thread. You are the one throwing 
> >>gas on the 
> >>fire. As a matter of fact I like MS windows, I like it so 
> >>much I have 2 
> >>windows boxes sitting in my kitchen at home. I also like 
> >>Linux which is 
> >>why I run it on my servers and my laptop. You should know something 
> >>about someone before posting your widely synthetic 
> >>generalizations. As for proprietary software, some of the 
> >>best software in the world is 
> >>closed source. What of it? Well when a programmer goes to 
> >>reinvent part 
> >>of that wheel, or build an atachment for it, he is not as 
> >>literate as he 
> >>would be if the "wheel" were written and the sources to it 
> >>were open. I 
> >>don't think your "mortal" users are worried about programmers 
> >>and source 
> >>code, but literate programmers program fewer bugs which 
> lead to fewer 
> >>vulnerabilities which leads to customer/end user/mortal 
> >>satisfaction. So 
> >>the Truth? If you ask this linux geek, I say the truth is 
> >>more than %50 
> >>of the population is below average inteligence. I don't 
> care If they 
> >>ever want to use Linux. It's enough explaining to them why they 
> >>shouldn't open every exe that hits the inbox. I don't want to start 
> >>explaining why they shouldn't work as root, and I believe 
> >>this is going 
> >>to be ignored equaly as patching Microsoft products is by end users.
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>I believe these two annoyances alone are enough to keep soooo many
> >>>people away from Linux.
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>I think its because they are afraid to learn something new or  they
> >>believe they can accomplish more by not straying from the 
> >>path. I often hear "It takes too long" or "Its not the same" 
> >>or "I don't know 
> >>how to do anything"
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Pablo
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>-----Mensaje original-----
> >>>>De: annoyances-bounces-DzJonyRHso41Ayx8vbq1stBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org
> >>>>[mailto:annoyances-bounces-DzJonyRHso41Ayx8vbq1stBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org] En nombre de
> >>>>Eric G Ortego
> >>>>Enviado el: martes, 14 de octubre de 2003 17:24
> >>>>Para: Seeking Linux annoyances for a book.
> >>>>Asunto: Re: [Annoyances] Classic case of why Linux ultimately 
> >>>>must fail
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Pablo Vieira wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>>>Wrong, Dex, quite wrong.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     
> >>>>>
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>
> >>>>About what?
> >>>>
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>>>This is another attitude that keeps regular mortals from trying
> >>>>>Linux:
> >>>>>     
> >>>>>
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>
> >>>>What are you talking about?  This has nothing to do with our 
> >>>>mortality.
> >>>>
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>>>this feeling of having to enter the elite is pretty annoying by
> >>>>>itself.
> >>>>>     
> >>>>>
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>
> >>>>This mailing list has no elite of which to enter into, it 
> is a call 
> >>>>for annoyances of an operating system.
> >>>>
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>>>Live and let live, do things better than others so 
> people will like 
> >>>>>your software better. Convince with facts, not with chats.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     
> >>>>>
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>
> >>>>He convinced me with the fact that it took him 2 seconds 
> to delete 
> >>>>the thread. And 10 seconds to read it IIRC.
> >>>>Why should it have taken that long? Why not longer? 
> >>>>Enlighten us please with your elite annoyances.
> >>>>
> >>>>I think Dex was right on the money this mailing list is titled 
> >>>>"Seeking Linux annoyances for a book" , not "Seeking the 
> Open Source
> >>>>Politicaly 
> >>>>elite" or as he put it not "geek philosophy chatter" ,still 
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>the fact 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>remains R. Bruce started this fruitless thred and it is truly 
> >>>>annoying.
> >>>>
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>>>Pablo
> >>>>>     
> >>>>>
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>-----Mensaje original-----
> >>>>>>De: annoyances-bounces-DzJonyRHso41Ayx8vbq1stBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org
> >>>>>>[mailto:annoyances-bounces-DzJonyRHso41Ayx8vbq1stBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org] En nombre de
> >>>>>>Dexter Filmore
> >>>>>>Enviado el: martes, 14 de octubre de 2003 15:41
> >>>>>>Para: Seeking Linux annoyances for a book.
> >>>>>>Asunto: Re: [Annoyances] Classic case of why Linux ultimately 
> >>>>>>must fail
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:20:22 -0700
> >>>>>>"R. Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>       
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Hi:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Well, it seems the Linux Annoyances forum  has become a 
> >>>>>>>single-thread topic -- Open Source Politics -- devoted to 
> >>>>>>>explaining to the unconverted why Open Source has 
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>copyrighted The 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>>>>Truth once and for all.
> >>>>>>>    
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>Selecting the thread and deleting it took me about 2 seconds in 
> >>>>>>Sylpheed. Add another extra 10 seconds for reading the 
> first post 
> >>>>>>and deciding that it's better to select and delete the 
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>thread since 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>>>this is "annoyances", not "geek philosophy chatter". I 
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>manged it all 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>>>by my own. Go figure.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>       
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Yawn -- I'm bored now.  Please unsubscribe me.
> >>>>>>>    
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>Yes, list admin, do it - and unsubscribe everybody else 
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>who clutters 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>>>the list with obsolete whining.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Dex
> >>>>>>_______________________________________________
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>       
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
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