Re: Classic case of why Linux ultimately must fail

Pablo Vieira wrote:

>(Knock, knock, anybody home McFly???) You must be joking, but anyway:
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>1. Dex was wrong about the attitude towards someone who clearly feels
>insulted by the classic arrogance of Linux gurus and fans (read the
>subject and you'll get the feeling). My suggestion is always be kind and
>if someone doesn't like you just smile gently and explain yourself or
>shut up, but don't tell people to go away, especially in behalf of
>others or if you don't own the place. You guys should look around you
>and see how many people won't even try Linux because of people like you.
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Classic arrogance of Linux gurus and fans?  You must be St.Peter with 
that holier then thou additude.
Who do you think you are to critisize a few million people all in one 
statement?
I look arround me and see an entire state of people that attend meetings 
<http://www.nolug.org/> I schedule, attend, participate in , learn, 
debate, and enjoy with others.
How many LUGs do you participate in?  Who have you helped learn 
something out of the goodness of your heart or the intrests of a group?
You know nothing of what I bring or takeaway from Linux, to assume that 
you do just proves how egotistical you are.
I'm not a Linux advocate, you clearly must be illiterate, here Ill quote 
myself for you again "I don't care If they ever want to use Linux."
I enjoy  it I enjoy learning it I enjoy teaching it, percisely why I 
joined this mailing list.

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>2. If you really want me to explain how and why I'm using the term
>"mortal", well, I won't do it. Please attend some literature course.
>ASAP.
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Dodging bullets like a true immortal. You suggesting lessons in 
literature really is a pathetic jibe.

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>I don't get easily bored by any conversation and I won't quit this list
>(even if someone like Dex, you or any other one suggests so), since I'm
>having an amusing time reading about another big annoyance with Linux:
>conversations like this one (you wont't find them in Windows world,
>certainly, and since Mac fans grew up you won't find them there either,
>not so frequently at least). 
>
Diareah of the mouth... what is that?

>Also, I subscribed this list because there's a fellow wanting to write a book about what's wrong with Linux according to people's experiences, which I applaud.  If you just listen to some Linux fans you might end up thinking this OS is the answer to all our problems 
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 I do listen to Linux fans, on a daily basis and I have yet to meet a Linux guru who thought Linux could solve the national Budget, world hunger, or all *of* our problems.

Your truely a dumbass. He is writing a book on linux annoyances not 
whats wrong with linux.

Here mabe this will help,
*an·noy·ance*  (-noins)/ n./

   1. The act of annoying or the state of being annoyed.
   2. A cause of irritation or vexation; a nuisance.

i.e.: Pablo Vieira has annoyed Eric.

>(while stubborn reality shows quite the opposite,
>sometimes). He surely has got some of my opinions now, and that's the
>whole point of writing here.
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>Regards.
>
>Pablo
>
You have still dodged most of my questions about your accusations.
What exactly do you hope to accomplish by belittleing linux supporters 
with your acervation of insults?
You want us to smile at you and your disciples while you blabber 
religious rhetoric and lift yourself up on high above all the "arrogant 
linux gurus."
Look guy, you want to think I am arrogant the linux community is 
arrogant, what ever do so, I simply cannot tollerate unsupported 
sterotyping and accusations.
You have yet to provide anything relevent to support your accusations 
and you dodge questions add more sterotype insults for answers and claim 
an almighty stance.


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>>-----Mensaje original-----
>>De: annoyances-bounces-DzJonyRHso41Ayx8vbq1stBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org 
>>[mailto:annoyances-bounces-DzJonyRHso41Ayx8vbq1stBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org] En nombre de 
>>Eric G Ortego
>>Enviado el: martes, 14 de octubre de 2003 22:20
>>Para: Seeking Linux annoyances for a book.
>>Asunto: Re: [Annoyances] Classic case of why Linux ultimately 
>>must fail
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>>Against my better judgement Ill continue...
>>First off you failed to answer what Dex was quite wrong 
>>about. Secondly you never cleared up what additude it was 
>>that is keeping 
>>mortals away from Linux and exactly which immortals are useing it.
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>>Pablo Vieira wrote:
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>>>OK, here is one huge annoyance of Linux which relates this 
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>>thread with 
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>>>the list: Linux geeks believing they have the truth. Linux gurus 
>>>explaining to the world the Holy word.
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>>What is this truth you keep refering to?  Let me in on what 
>>the "Linux 
>>Geeks" are preaching to the "regular mortals".
>>What is this Holy Word? Why hasn't a Linux guru explained to me the 
>>HolyWord?
>>I cannot imagine that I've been useing Linux for almost 5 
>>years and have 
>>yet to hear this Holy Word of the guru.
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>>>All that bullshit the original
>>>poster was referring to is VERY annoying.
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>>So is this drivle.
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>>>What people who use Linux should do with people annoyed like the 
>>>original poster is ask them not to leave Linux forums and 
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>>show them a 
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>>>smile instead of all the despise and all the wrath against Windows, 
>>>Microsoft, propietary software, etc. you are so fond of.
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>>Are you suggesting that I am fond of Microsoft , fond of 
>>wrath against 
>>Microsoft, fond of proprietary software, or a smile?
>>Im lost in you blabber. Beside noone asked him to leave he 
>>did it on his 
>>own.
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>>>All that MS bashing is showing a big complex of inferiority in this 
>>>community which is itself another huge Linux annoyance.
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>>I suggest you RTFT before posting. Microsoft has not once 
>>been mentioned 
>>in a negative manner in this thread. You are the one throwing 
>>gas on the 
>>fire. As a matter of fact I like MS windows, I like it so 
>>much I have 2 
>>windows boxes sitting in my kitchen at home. I also like 
>>Linux which is 
>>why I run it on my servers and my laptop. You should know something 
>>about someone before posting your widely synthetic 
>>generalizations. As for proprietary software, some of the 
>>best software in the world is 
>>closed source. What of it? Well when a programmer goes to 
>>reinvent part 
>>of that wheel, or build an atachment for it, he is not as 
>>literate as he 
>>would be if the "wheel" were written and the sources to it 
>>were open. I 
>>don't think your "mortal" users are worried about programmers 
>>and source 
>>code, but literate programmers program fewer bugs which lead to fewer 
>>vulnerabilities which leads to customer/end user/mortal 
>>satisfaction. So 
>>the Truth? If you ask this linux geek, I say the truth is 
>>more than %50 
>>of the population is below average inteligence. I don't care If they 
>>ever want to use Linux. It's enough explaining to them why they 
>>shouldn't open every exe that hits the inbox. I don't want to start 
>>explaining why they shouldn't work as root, and I believe 
>>this is going 
>>to be ignored equaly as patching Microsoft products is by end users.
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>>>I believe these two annoyances alone are enough to keep soooo many 
>>>people away from Linux.
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>>I think its because they are afraid to learn something new or  they 
>>believe they can accomplish more by not straying from the 
>>path. I often hear "It takes too long" or "Its not the same" 
>>or "I don't know 
>>how to do anything"
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>>>Pablo
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>>>>-----Mensaje original-----
>>>>De: annoyances-bounces-DzJonyRHso41Ayx8vbq1stBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org
>>>>[mailto:annoyances-bounces-DzJonyRHso41Ayx8vbq1stBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org] En nombre de 
>>>>Eric G Ortego
>>>>Enviado el: martes, 14 de octubre de 2003 17:24
>>>>Para: Seeking Linux annoyances for a book.
>>>>Asunto: Re: [Annoyances] Classic case of why Linux ultimately 
>>>>must fail
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>>>>Pablo Vieira wrote:
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>>>>>Wrong, Dex, quite wrong.
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>>>>About what?
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>>>>>This is another attitude that keeps regular mortals from trying 
>>>>>Linux:
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>>>>What are you talking about?  This has nothing to do with our
>>>>mortality.
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>>>>>this feeling of having to enter the elite is pretty annoying by 
>>>>>itself.
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>>>>This mailing list has no elite of which to enter into, it is
>>>>a call for annoyances of an operating system.
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>>>>>Live and let live, do things better than others so people will like
>>>>>your software better. Convince with facts, not with chats.
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>>>>He convinced me with the fact that it took him 2 seconds to
>>>>delete the 
>>>>thread. And 10 seconds to read it IIRC.
>>>>Why should it have taken that long? Why not longer? 
>>>>Enlighten us please with your elite annoyances.
>>>>
>>>>I think Dex was right on the money this mailing list is
>>>>titled "Seeking 
>>>>Linux annoyances for a book" , not "Seeking the Open Source 
>>>>Politicaly 
>>>>elite" or as he put it not "geek philosophy chatter" ,still 
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>>the fact 
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>>>>remains R. Bruce started this fruitless thred and it is truly 
>>>>annoying.
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>>>>>Pablo
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>>>>>>-----Mensaje original-----
>>>>>>De: annoyances-bounces-DzJonyRHso41Ayx8vbq1stBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org
>>>>>>[mailto:annoyances-bounces-DzJonyRHso41Ayx8vbq1stBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org] En nombre de
>>>>>>Dexter Filmore
>>>>>>Enviado el: martes, 14 de octubre de 2003 15:41
>>>>>>Para: Seeking Linux annoyances for a book.
>>>>>>Asunto: Re: [Annoyances] Classic case of why Linux ultimately 
>>>>>>must fail
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:20:22 -0700
>>>>>>"R. Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>>>>>>Hi:
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>>>>>>>Well, it seems the Linux Annoyances forum  has become a 
>>>>>>>single-thread topic -- Open Source Politics -- devoted to 
>>>>>>>explaining to the unconverted why Open Source has 
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>>copyrighted The 
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>>>>>>>Truth once and for all.
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>>>>>>Selecting the thread and deleting it took me about 2 seconds in 
>>>>>>Sylpheed. Add another extra 10 seconds for reading the first post 
>>>>>>and deciding that it's better to select and delete the 
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>>thread since 
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>>>>>>this is "annoyances", not "geek philosophy chatter". I 
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>>manged it all 
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>>>>>>by my own. Go figure.
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>>>>>>>Yawn -- I'm bored now.  Please unsubscribe me.
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>>>>>>Yes, list admin, do it - and unsubscribe everybody else 
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>>who clutters 
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>>>>>>the list with obsolete whining.
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>>>>>>Dex
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