Re: Hello?

On Wednesday 03 December 2003 04:44 pm, Burcin Erocal wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 01:50:21 +0100
>
> "Frantz Dhin" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Hello,
> > The short answer: no
> > We are working on a codebase which hopefully should bring us to first
> > alpha of package manager in January/February. From there it's wide open
> > to contributions. Going quiet about our stuff right now cause there is
> > nothing to hype about... yet :)  Will start beating the advertising drums
> > on this list as soon as it makes sense, but now it might not be so long.
> > -F
>
> Is the codebase available anywhere? I'd like to do whatever I can to help.
>
> I've been waiting too long to have a stable gentoo that I can install on
> servers. Hearing the announcement of the fork made me think that dream was
> really close, but unfortunately the excitement didn't last long.

That's why I'm here too.  Please stick around!
>
> I feel a great need for a "tame" portage. While the contributions done by
> the gentoo community are great, I don't see much progress happening in
> terms of having a portage tree that doesn't change so quickly. That
> behaviour cannot be tolerated on servers, and I have a hard time keeping up
> with it even on my laptop.

Agreed
>
> I've spent a lot of time recently, to get portage to behave well so I can
> rely on it for certain tasks. I could easily have spent the time on the
> xeta package manager. My work is nowhere near satisfactory, and instead of
> wasting more time on that I could work on xeta, if only the development
> process was open. The main reason that I got frustrated with gentoo was
> exactly that, development of main system components wasn't open enough, and
> now zynot is going that way too?

I'd disagree that zynot is going that way.    There has been a ton of 
discussion about the design of Xeta, and when it's ready for a release, 
you'll be able to see the design, and contribute to its evolution. 

>
>
> It's a great shame that this project lost the initial momentum that came
> with the first announcement. It would have been great if a release was made
> in those first days. Even if it was all gentoo material, it would have
> given people a base to work with and improve. This is no longer a fork now,
> we seem to be starting from scratch and that's a lot harder.

Yes, it is a lot harder.  I initially didn't think it was worth it.  I've now 
changed my mind.  


>
> Why don't you open up what's being done, update the wiki, and let people
> help?

I'm not sure what you think is closed.  I think most of the specs are on the 
wiki, and the xeta folks have not given docs to write yet.  
>
> What happened to that subversion server and all the infrastructure that had
> been setup?

svn instructions are on the wiki, and if they're not right, let me know and 
I'll get them fixed.  You can also register at bugs.zynot.org for the 
bugzilla server.   If the docs are not getting you to the right places, file 
a bug report and we'll get it fixed.

Thanks for you comments,  please stick around.  It's going to get very 
interesting and very busy shortly.  Thanks for your feedback.

DT

-- 
Dave Thacker
Zynot Documentation Manager