common-lisp.net Mailing List Services in Need of Migration

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Dear All,


The maintainers of common-lisp.net including these mailing lists are seekin=
g a volunteer or volunteers to help migrate these @common-lisp.net mailing =
lists from the legacy host (legacy.common-lisp.net) to a relatively new Het=
zner host that we have established (64GB RAM, 12 CPU threads, AMD Ryzen 5 3=
600 model 113, hosted at Hetzner's Helsinki-1 data center). With the increa=
sed capacity we are able to provide more self-contained services such as lo=
cal CI runners which can be made available to projects (the recent revival =
of http://gitlab.common-lisp.net/cl-docker-images/ =C2=A0is an example of a=
 project that can benefit from local runners as opposed to a far-flung netw=
ork of runner machines in someone's house or in a closet at MIT etc. which =
may or may not be maintained consistently over the years).=C2=A0

With help from a few individuals, notably Georgiy Tsukai, we have already m=
igrated most other common-lisp.net services, including gitlab.common-lisp.n=
et (that's been done almost a year now), as well as the common-lisp.net mai=
n website, the *.common-lisp.dev project sites, and others.=C2=A0

cliki.net migration is currently being worked on by Vladmir Sedach (it's ap=
parently affected by some recent issues with a Linux xml library, not conne=
cted with CL directly, but that clike was depending on, that Vladimir has t=
o update cliki to work around).=C2=A0


The major remaining task is to migrate mail services and update correspondi=
ng MX records so that incoming @common-lisp.net mail will land at the new s=
erver, to be handled for individuals by their ~/.forward (we still want to =
support that for folks with shell accounts on the host), as well as fanning=
 out to these mailing lists @common.lisp.net.=C2=A0=C2=A0



So if anyone with experience in such matters would be willing to spend a bi=
t of time & attention, maybe over the holidays, to look into our mail setup=
 and help with migration, that opportunity remains. When completed, this wi=
ll allow Erik Huelsmann finally to let go of the legacy host, which some ti=
me ago lost its ability to update the OS in-place (over the years, a hodgep=
odge of different OS versions got cobbled together on that host by a string=
 of different admins, to where it's no longer amenable to normal debian apt=
 update/upgrade). So it's become a burden on Erik to keep that machine runn=
ing at all.=C2=A0=C2=A0



 The current common-lisp.net is running on a consistent fully updated Debia=
n GNU/Linux 13 (trixie) and, knock wood, remains update/upgradable includin=
g its installed gitlab service stack, which we also keep updated every few =
weeks.=C2=A0 Incidentally we are also running a jitsi instance on there at =
meet.common-lisp.net, which any of you in the community is welcome to use f=
or CL related online meetings.=C2=A0



Anyone interested in giving some attention to this mailing list setup, plea=
se advise. You can respond to this list, to me directly, or join IRC at lib=
era.chat #common-lisp.net channel. And in any case,=C2=A0 Happy Holidays an=
d Happy Common Lisping to all!=C2=A0



Thanks,


=C2=A0Dave Cooper





P.S. Genworks has been paying the Hetzner fees for the future host (booked =
as donations to the Common Lisp Foundation, about $40/month). And Erik H is=
 still paying from his own pocket (or his company's coffers) for the legacy=
 one, which is a VM slice of a bigger Hetzner host that he maintains (our n=
ew host is a physical machine, I believe). Anyway, at some point we do plan=
 to enable donations and offer sponsored links again, to decouple the futur=
e viability of common-lisp.net services from the ongoing enthusiasm and sol=
vency of any particular individual or entity (this will be done on principl=
e, and not because I personally do not plan and hope to keep Genworks solve=
nt and enthusiastic indefinitely into the future!).=C2=A0 Anyway just a hea=
ds up that such donation opportunities will be upcoming as well.
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ead><body ><div style=3D"font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif=
; font-size: 10pt;"><div><br>Dear All,</div><div><br></div><div>The maintai=
ners of common-lisp.net including these mailing lists are seeking a volunte=
er or volunteers to help migrate these @common-lisp.net mailing lists from =
the legacy host (legacy.common-lisp.net) to a relatively new Hetzner host t=
hat we have established (64GB RAM, 12 CPU threads, AMD Ryzen 5 3600 model 1=
13, hosted at Hetzner's Helsinki-1 data center). With the increased capacit=
y we are able to provide more self-contained services such as local CI runn=
ers which can be made available to projects (the recent revival of <a targe=
t=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://gitlab.common-lisp.net/cl-docker-images/">gitla=
b.common-lisp.net/cl-docker-images/</a>&nbsp;is an example of a project tha=
t can benefit from local runners as opposed to a far-flung network of runne=
r machines in someone's house or in a closet at MIT etc. which may or may n=
ot be maintained consistently over the years).&nbsp;<br><br>With help from =
a few individuals, notably Georgiy Tsukai, we have already migrated most ot=
her common-lisp.net services, including gitlab.common-lisp.net (that's been=
 done almost a year now), as well as the common-lisp.net main website, the =
*.common-lisp.dev project sites, and others.&nbsp;<br><br>cliki.net migrati=
on is currently being worked on by Vladmir Sedach (it's apparently affected=
 by some recent issues with a Linux xml library, not connected with CL dire=
ctly, but that clike was depending on, that Vladimir has to update cliki to=
 work around).&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>The major remaining task is t=
o migrate mail services and update corresponding MX records so that incomin=
g @common-lisp.net mail will land at the new server, to be handled for indi=
viduals by their ~/.forward (we still want to support that for folks with s=
hell accounts on the host), as well as fanning out to these mailing lists @=
common.lisp.net.&nbsp;&nbsp;<br></div><div><br></div><div>So if anyone with=
 experience in such matters would be willing to spend a bit of time &amp; a=
ttention, maybe over the holidays, to look into our mail setup and help wit=
h migration, that opportunity remains. When completed, this will allow Erik=
 Huelsmann finally to let go of the legacy host, which some time ago lost i=
ts ability to update the OS in-place (over the years, a hodgepodge of diffe=
rent OS versions got cobbled together on that host by a string of different=
 admins, to where it's no longer amenable to normal debian apt update/upgra=
de). So it's become a burden on Erik to keep that machine running at all.&n=
bsp;&nbsp;<br></div><div><br></div><div> The current common-lisp.net is run=
ning on a consistent fully updated Debian GNU/Linux 13 (trixie) and, knock =
wood, remains update/upgradable including its installed gitlab service stac=
k, which we also keep updated every few weeks.&nbsp; Incidentally we are al=
so running a jitsi instance on there at meet.common-lisp.net, which any of =
you in the community is welcome to use for CL related online meetings.&nbsp=
;<br></div><div><br></div><div>Anyone interested in giving some attention t=
o this mailing list setup, please advise. You can respond to this list, to =
me directly, or join IRC at libera.chat #common-lisp.net channel. And in an=
y case,&nbsp; Happy Holidays and Happy Common Lisping to all!&nbsp;<br><br>=
</div><div><br>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp;Dave Cooper<br></div>=
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>P.S. Genworks has been paying the Hetzne=
r fees for the future host (booked as donations to the Common Lisp Foundati=
on, about $40/month). And Erik H is still paying from his own pocket (or hi=
s company's coffers) for the legacy one, which is a VM slice of a bigger He=
tzner host that he maintains (our new host is a physical machine, I believe=
). Anyway, at some point we do plan to enable donations and offer sponsored=
 links again, to decouple the future viability of common-lisp.net services =
from the ongoing enthusiasm and solvency of any particular individual or en=
tity (this will be done on principle, and not because I personally do not p=
lan and hope to keep Genworks solvent and enthusiastic indefinitely into th=
e future!).&nbsp; Anyway just a heads up that such donation opportunities w=
ill be upcoming as well.<br><br><br><br><br></div></div><br></body></html>
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