Re: New "genAI" zig scheme implementation

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and i will just add , it is LLM use but not only ,with agentic AI
too,agentic AI that use a lot of algorithm (not only LLM) , algorithms
created by humans. (even if they could now be implemented by AI but with a
lot of specifications hand written by humans) and algorithms still remains,
ideas and human creation from human creativity.

On Sat, Jul 11, 2026 at 11:50=E2=80=AFPM Damien Mattei <damien.mattei@gmail=
.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Keep in mind that this work is like a sort of ctrl-c/ctrl-v ,copy/paste o=
f
> existing code modified by transformers. There is no new idea, no creativi=
ty
> happening.
> There is already a lot of scheme implementations and the IA models have
> been trained over those human implemented codes.
>
> So as there exists already solutions human written
> (guile,racket,chicken...) i suppose you do not even need to write a lot o=
f
> specifications to do that.
>
> At contrary if you want to improve things, improve scheme, for example by
> adding some infix notation support you have to tell it to the AI,becaus A=
I
> (at the moment i'm writing) is not capable of creativity ,of inventing ne=
w
> languages,etc
>
> For me,creating Scheme+, this is not a problem, i'm not in competition
> with an IA (even if i use it).
>
> Best regards,
>
> Damien
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2026 at 7:45=E2=80=AFPM Nicolas Graves <[email protected]=
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I asked the author a few questions here, if you're intersted :
>>
>> https://github.com/orgs/kaappi/discussions/1303
>>
>> On 2026-07-07 19:23, Nicolas Graves wrote:
>>
>> >
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/scheme/comments/1upm0sb/kaappi_yet_another_impl=
ementation/
>> >
>> > I don't know how to react to this in our ecosystem, it's almost entire=
ly
>> > AI generated in 3 weeks total, and looks (untested) and claims to be
>> > competitive with current scheme implementations, and Guix aside, has t=
he
>> > breadth of a good part of the Guile ecosystem.
>> >
>> > I'm currently myself a (much much lighter) user, and want to stand by
>> > the values of free software ; but I'm not sure what is the right way t=
o
>> > stand up for them anymore, in this context.
>> >
>> > I'm still excited to contribute to projects I value, but I lost my
>> > vision / theory of action which guided how I spent my time in FOSS.  I
>> > don't know how I should spend my time anymore.
>> >
>> > The conversation in Guix is GCD focussed and is already huge, this is =
a
>> > Scheme implementation, but I wanted to share my uncertainties on how o=
ur
>> > small but faithful ecosystem should navigate these troubled times.
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Nicolas Graves
>>
>>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large">and=
 i will just add , it is LLM use but not only ,with agentic AI too,agentic =
AI that use a lot of algorithm (not only LLM) , algorithms created by human=
s. (even if they could now be implemented by AI but with a lot of specifica=
tions hand written=C2=A0by humans) and algorithms still remains, ideas and =
human creation from human creativity.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Ju=
l 11, 2026 at 11:50=E2=80=AFPM Damien Mattei &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:damien.m=
[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px s=
olid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmai=
l_default" style=3D"font-size:large">Hi,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-size:large">Keep in mind that this work is like a sort of ctrl-c/ctrl-v=
 ,copy/paste of existing code modified by transformers. There is no new ide=
a, no creativity happening.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font=
-size:large">There is already a lot of scheme implementations and the IA mo=
dels have been trained over those human implemented codes.</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"font-size:large">So as there exists already solutions hum=
an written (guile,racket,chicken...) i suppose you do not even need to writ=
e a lot of specifications to do that.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" sty=
le=3D"font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font=
-size:large">At contrary if you want to improve things, improve scheme, for=
 example by adding some infix notation support you have to tell it to the A=
I,becaus=C2=A0AI (at the moment i&#39;m writing) is not capable of creativi=
ty ,of inventing new languages,etc</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-s=
ize:large">For me,creating Scheme+, this is not a problem, i&#39;m not in c=
ompetition with an IA (even if i use it).</div><div class=3D"gmail_default"=
 style=3D"font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"=
font-size:large">Best regards,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:l=
arge">Damien</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cla=
ss=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 7, 2026 at 7:45=E2=80=AFPM Nicolas Graves &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=
<br>
I asked the author a few questions here, if you&#39;re intersted :<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://github.com/orgs/kaappi/discussions/1303" rel=3D"noreferr=
er" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/orgs/kaappi/discussions/1303</a><b=
r>
<br>
On 2026-07-07 19:23, Nicolas Graves wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://www.reddit.com/r/scheme/comments/1upm0sb/kaappi_yet=
_another_implementation/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.=
reddit.com/r/scheme/comments/1upm0sb/kaappi_yet_another_implementation/</a>=
<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I don&#39;t know how to react to this in our ecosystem, it&#39;s almos=
t entirely<br>
&gt; AI generated in 3 weeks total, and looks (untested) and claims to be<b=
r>
&gt; competitive with current scheme implementations, and Guix aside, has t=
he<br>
&gt; breadth of a good part of the Guile ecosystem.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I&#39;m currently myself a (much much lighter) user, and want to stand=
 by<br>
&gt; the values of free software ; but I&#39;m not sure what is the right w=
ay to<br>
&gt; stand up for them anymore, in this context.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I&#39;m still excited to contribute to projects I value, but I lost my=
<br>
&gt; vision / theory of action which guided how I spent my time in FOSS.=C2=
=A0 I<br>
&gt; don&#39;t know how I should spend my time anymore.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The conversation in Guix is GCD focussed and is already huge, this is =
a<br>
&gt; Scheme implementation, but I wanted to share my uncertainties on how o=
ur<br>
&gt; small but faithful ecosystem should navigate these troubled times.<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Best regards,<br>
Nicolas Graves<br>
<br>
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