Re: Any ilisp rpm files?

I don't think you've followed my comments.  I don't know which system
you are using (Mandrake?  Red Hat?), but they're pretty similar, so
I'll assume that my Mandrake experience will carry over:

#1:  Mandrake (and Red Hat, the last time I checked) do NOT install
Xemacs by default.  If you ask for emacs you get FSF emacs, which is
not the same and which does not, I believe, have a package manager.
Anyway, if you want FSF emacs instructions, someone else will have to
step in.  If you want XEMACS you should:

1.  remove vanilla emacs.  There may be some other way to do this, but
I haven't found it.  The problem is that there's some shared stuff
between FSF and Xemacs, and the RPM packagers factored it out, and if
you want to install them both, you need to install them both from the
get-go.  

2.  Install the xemacs, xemacs-devel, xemacs-extras and xemacs-info
rpms.

3.  You will now have ilisp.  So your complaint is not well-founded
--- ilisp IS available in rpm form.

4.  Fire up xemacs as root.  Change the following customization parameter 
efs-ftp-program-args to  ("-i" "-n" "-g" "-v" "-u")

You must do this because the default EFS FTP configuration is not
compatible with the package management.

#2  If you feel the need, update the ilisp packages AS ROOT.  Go to the
Options menu "Manage Packages" submenu, choose an update source, then
try to list and install.

I'm afraid I don't have the foggiest idea how to do the equivalent
with FSF emacs.  But RPMS or not is a red herring.  That's not the
issue.


A. F. Smith writes:
 > 
 > There's only one problem with your suggestion. I don't
 > know how to use xemacs yet. Like I said in my very
 > first post, I am trying to get xemacs and cmucl set up
 > so I can use them to learn common lisp and xemacs.
 > Also, it should be clear by my lengths that I have
 > gone through that ilisp is not included in the
 > mandrake rpms. I really do not understand the
 > resistance to having ilisp rpms available for
 > download. They are by far the easiest way to get ilisp
 > installed into Mandrake and Red Hat systems. Why make
 > people jusmp through unnecessary hoops when from this
 > obvious example it's apparent that a good deal of the
 > hoop-jumping ends with ilisp uninstalled on the target
 > system and much time for both the person trying to
 > set-up their system and the person who is trying to
 > help them wasted.
 > 
 > I've now been trying to get CMUCL environment working
 > with an editor for more than a month. Three weeks of
 > hoop jumping with all the various combinations of
 > CMUCL compiler files ended with a 5 minute .rpm
 > installation. Trying to get ilisp working has now
 > stretched out more than a week with an answer no
 > closer. This is not an efficient use of time. Creating
 > the rpms would take one of you very little time, and
 > would take me a couple of minutes to get installed.
 > Instead, I'm still sitting here with no way to use
 > xemacs and CMUCL together.
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > --- [email protected] wrote:
 > > 
 > > A. F. Smith writes:
 > >  > Are there any ilisp .rpm files around for
 > > downloading?
 > >  > 
 > >  > If not, it seems like a reasonable way for ilisp
 > > to
 > >  > reach a greater potential user base.
 > >  > 
 > > 
 > > I believe ilisp is included in the XEMACS rpms that
 > > you can get from
 > > Mandrake.  At any rate, rpmifying is unnecessary for
 > > Xemacs, since
 > > Xemacs has its own package manager for emacs-lisp
 > > packages.  If you're
 > > maintaining an xemacs install, you should use that
 > > package manager (in
 > > the Options menu), instead of rpms (which are
 > > updated far less
 > > frequently).
 > > 
 > > If you're not using xemacs (here comes the
 > > flamebait), you should!
 > > 
 > > R
 > > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
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