Re: ANNOUNCE: MCLIDE 1.0b

On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:52 AM, peter wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 2:54 AM, Robert Schaaf <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I so agree. As I read it, at the moment on CLZ if you want say pure
> Common Lisp plus Cocoa, you are on your own.  Clozure told me in early
> 09 that there would be a separation of the appropriate modules.  But
> nothing's happened yet that I know of.  As it is, you have either low
> level CL or the full Hemlock bolognese API, or we get our knitting
> needles out to build our own.

There is funded work underway to build all this via XMLisp

> 
> My current dream machine would be MCLIDE + CLZ (CLOS) + Cocoa + OpenGL
> (without XML) + shrinkwrap delivery tool (appgen ... to Mac, PC and
> smart phone of course).  The focus being on quality application
> deliverables for the open market (ie. not for s/w developers).


Free, open source cross platform Common Lisp including Cocoa, OpenGL, ...  CLOS based interfaces, ...  already here. Here is an icon editor example in CCL (image file loading, OpenGL rendering, down/up/moved/dragged mouse handlers, color pickers, alpha channels, selection management, ...):



same code running in Windows XP with CCL win + Cocotron:





Sorry, you can run this with without touching XML but to define dynamic layouts you will have to write or generate xml. 


> 
> And the first communal task in hand would be to get onto the Cocoa
> port of Fred etc.

Hemlock works reasonably well and now also works - still incomplete - on Windows. This is something that MCL never did and unfortunately MCLIDE never will. 

> 
> But as all this is communal/collective effort, it's roll our sleeves
> up time, and follow Terje's superb lead IMHO.  Every little bit helps.

As I said, this is a funded effort. If it is not cross platform we cannot pay for it nor spend time on it. 

All the best,  Alex


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