Re: CCL on Apple Silicon
David Cooper <[email protected]> Sun, 07 Apr 2024 19:31:04 -0400
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------=_Part_2858561_143257913.1712532664451 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is the most welcome news I've heard in a while! Congratulations and = Godspeed! Dave Cooper ---- On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 16:00:18 -0400 [email protected] wrote= ---- > On Apr 7, 2024, at 3:49=E2=80=AFAM, peter <[email protected]> wrote: >=20 > Am I correct in concluding the Clozure Common Lisp will not run on Apple = Silicon under any guise. So not natively, under Rosetta-2, in virtualisatio= n (do any support X86 emulation) under Parallels, UTM, VMware Fusion, Virtu= alBox on Apple Silicon? >=20 > Hence for those that want to keep going with their Clozure Lisp but on cu= rrent Apple systems (ie. Apple Silicon) it'll have to be via Screen Sharing= to an 2018 Intel Mac Mini or such. >=20 > That or move on to SBCL et al and rewrite code as far as viable. For thos= e addicted to the CCL Hemlock UI, get used to Emacs-Slime. >=20 > Meanwhile praying that Clozure breathes again, and cursing the INT instru= ction void. Or sticking with an unsupported Intel Mac, or abandon Apple and= morph over to the WinTel world. >=20 > Is this how things stand today for those whose digital life has been heav= ily CCL based. Somehow I never got any message saying the CCL on current Ap= ple computers (Apple Silicon) is a complete and indefinite no-go (unless th= ere's some radical phoenix action). >=20 > I.e. CCL is effectively dead and buried on current Macs, full stop. >=20 > Crossing fingers and hoping to be shot down in flames. I recently decided to leave my current full-time job, and I=E2=80=99ll be w= orking on CCL again. This is probably an imprudent thing for me to do, but = you only live once, right? I don=E2=80=99t want to share details (funding, etc.) with the whole world,= but it=E2=80=99s looking like I=E2=80=99ll be able to work about half-time= on an ARM64 port. Please write me privately if you want to talk about supp= orting that ARM64 work. I've worked on CCL for quite a few years, and I did the 32-bit x86 port, so= I have experience in this area. I=E2=80=99m not as good a hacker as Gary B= yers, but then again, few people are. There are lots of issues and challenges ahead, but I=E2=80=99m not ready to= have a funeral for CCL just yet. ------=_Part_2858561_143257913.1712532664451 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"><html><head>= <meta content=3D"text/html;charset=3DUTF-8" http-equiv=3D"Content-Type"></h= ead><body ><div style=3D'font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica= ,sans-serif;'><div dir=3D'auto'><br></div><div dir=3D'auto'><br></div><div = dir=3D'auto'>This is the most welcome news I've heard in a while! = Congratulations and Godspeed!</div><div id=3D"message" dir= =3D"auto"></div><br id=3D"br3"><div id=3D"signature" dir=3D"auto"><div>Dave= Cooper<br></div></div><div id=3D"content" dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div id= =3D"content" dir=3D"auto"><br><div class=3D"zmail_extra_hr" style=3D"border= -top-width: 1px; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(204, 204, 2= 04); height: 0px; margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; line-height: 0px;"= ></div><br> ---- On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 16:00:18 -0400 <b> [email protected] </b= > wrote ----<br><br><blockquote style=3D"border: 0px; padding: 0px; margin:= 0px;"><div> <br>> On Apr 7, 2024, at 3:49=E2=80=AFAM, peter <<a href=3D"mailto:p2= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> wrote: <br>>=20 <br>> Am I correct in concluding the Clozure Common Lisp will not run on= Apple Silicon under any guise. So not natively, under Rosetta-2, in virtua= lisation (do any support X86 emulation) under Parallels, UTM, VMware Fusion= , VirtualBox on Apple Silicon? <br>>=20 <br>> Hence for those that want to keep going with their Clozure Lisp bu= t on current Apple systems (ie. Apple Silicon) it'll have to be via Screen = Sharing to an 2018 Intel Mac Mini or such. <br>>=20 <br>> That or move on to SBCL et al and rewrite code as far as viable. F= or those addicted to the CCL Hemlock UI, get used to Emacs-Slime. <br>>=20 <br>> Meanwhile praying that Clozure breathes again, and cursing the INT= instruction void. Or sticking with an unsupported Intel Mac, or abandon Ap= ple and morph over to the WinTel world. <br>>=20 <br>> Is this how things stand today for those whose digital life has be= en heavily CCL based. Somehow I never got any message saying the CCL on cur= rent Apple computers (Apple Silicon) is a complete and indefinite no-go (un= less there's some radical phoenix action). <br>>=20 <br>> I.e. CCL is effectively dead and buried on current Macs, full stop= . <br>>=20 <br>> Crossing fingers and hoping to be shot down in flames. <br> <br>I recently decided to leave my current full-time job, and I=E2=80=99ll = be working on CCL again. This is probably an imprudent thing for me to do, = but you only live once, right? <br> <br>I don=E2=80=99t want to share details (funding, etc.) with the whole wo= rld, but it=E2=80=99s looking like I=E2=80=99ll be able to work about half-= time on an ARM64 port. Please write me privately if you want to talk about = supporting that ARM64 work. <br> <br>I've worked on CCL for quite a few years, and I did the 32-bit x86 port= , so I have experience in this area. I=E2=80=99m not as good a hacker as Ga= ry Byers, but then again, few people are. <br> <br>There are lots of issues and challenges ahead, but I=E2=80=99m not read= y to have a funeral for CCL just yet. <br> <br></div></blockquote></div></div><br></body></html> ------=_Part_2858561_143257913.1712532664451--