Re: CCL on Apple Silicon

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Wow, this is excellent!

On 2024-04-08T01:31:04.000+02:00, David Cooper=

<[email protected]> wrote:

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<div><br></div><div >Wow, this is excellent!</div><div class=3D"ik_mail_quo=
te answerContentMessage" ><div>On 2024-04-08T01:31:04.000+02:00, David Coop=
er &lt;[email protected]&gt; wrote:</div><blockquote class=3D"ws-ng=
-quote"><div class=3D"ws-ng-mail-style--593580eJzz9HPyjwAABGYBgQ"><div styl=
e=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"><div d=
ir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">This is=
 the most welcome news I've heard in a while!&nbsp;&nbsp;Congratulations an=
d&nbsp;&nbsp;Godspeed!</div><div id=3D"message" dir=3D"auto"></div><br id=
=3D"br3"><div id=3D"signature" dir=3D"auto"><div>Dave Cooper<br></div></div=
><div id=3D"content" dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div id=3D"content" dir=3D"auto=
"><br><div class=3D"" style=3D"border-top-width:1px;border-top-style:solid;=
border-top-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);height:0px;margin-top:10px;margin-botto=
m:10px;line-height:0px;"></div><br> ---- On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 16:00:18 -0400=
 <b> <a class=3D"defaultMailLink defaultMailLink" href=3D"mailto:rme@clozur=
e.com">[email protected]</a> </b> wrote ----<br><br><div class=3D"ik-toggle-q=
uote-button"></div><blockquote style=3D"border:0px;padding:0px;margin:0px;"=
><div>
<br>&gt; On Apr 7, 2024, at 3:49=E2=80=AFAM, peter &lt;<a class=3D"defaultM=
ailLink" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt; Am I correct in concluding the Clozure Common Lisp will not run on=
 Apple Silicon under any guise. So not natively, under Rosetta-2, in virtua=
lisation (do any support X86 emulation) under Parallels, UTM, VMware Fusion=
, VirtualBox on Apple Silicon?
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt; Hence for those that want to keep going with their Clozure Lisp bu=
t on current Apple systems (ie. Apple Silicon) it'll have to be via Screen =
Sharing to an 2018 Intel Mac Mini or such.
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt; That or move on to SBCL et al and rewrite code as far as viable. F=
or those addicted to the CCL Hemlock UI, get used to Emacs-Slime.
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt; Meanwhile praying that Clozure breathes again, and cursing the INT=
 instruction void. Or sticking with an unsupported Intel Mac, or abandon Ap=
ple and morph over to the WinTel world.
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt; Is this how things stand today for those whose digital life has be=
en heavily CCL based. Somehow I never got any message saying the CCL on cur=
rent Apple computers (Apple Silicon) is a complete and indefinite no-go (un=
less there's some radical phoenix action).
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt; I.e. CCL is effectively dead and buried on current Macs, full stop=
.
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt; Crossing fingers and hoping to be shot down in flames.
<br>
<br>I recently decided to leave my current full-time job, and I=E2=80=99ll =
be working on CCL again. This is probably an imprudent thing for me to do, =
but you only live once, right?
<br>
<br>I don=E2=80=99t want to share details (funding, etc.) with the whole wo=
rld, but it=E2=80=99s looking like I=E2=80=99ll be able to work about half-=
time on an ARM64 port. Please write me privately if you want to talk about =
supporting that ARM64 work.
<br>
<br>I've worked on CCL for quite a few years, and I did the 32-bit x86 port=
, so I have experience in this area. I=E2=80=99m not as good a hacker as Ga=
ry Byers, but then again, few people are.
<br>
<br>There are lots of issues and challenges ahead, but I=E2=80=99m not read=
y to have a funeral for CCL just yet.
<br>
<br></div></blockquote></div></div><br></div></blockquote></div>


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