Re: UNSURE messages end up in inbox folder

Le Tuesday 12 August 2008, Nigel Henry a écrit :
> On Tuesday 12 August 2008 13:01, Daniel Moyne wrote:
> > Le Saturday 09 August 2008, Nigel Henry a écrit :
> > > On Saturday 09 August 2008 00:55, Daniel Moyne wrote:
> > > > I scrupulously followed Nigel's how-to with all these folders :
> > > > Spam
> > > > NonSpam
> > > > nonspamnew
> > > > spam
> > > > unsure
> > > > in KMail (kde-4)
> > > >
> > > > Apprently everything works fine except that all "unsure" prefixed in
> > > > subjet as ???UNSURE??? end-up in my inbox folder though fliter-4 is
> > > > upposed to get them dumped into folder unsure !
> > > >
> > > > Regards.
> > >
> > > I'll come back on this problem tomorrow, as it's getting late. My
> > > version of bogofilter is quite old, but don't think that that is the
> > > problem.
> > >
> > > I'm also using an old version of Kmail on Fedora Core 2 (KDE 3.2.2),
> > > but should not affect the filters.
> > >
> > > Of course I may not be able to help much. I have bogofilter working
> > > with Kmail with no problems, but perhaps someone directly working with
> > > the bogofilter project may be able to offer better advice.
> > >
> > > Nigel.
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> > Nigel,
> > so far no other UNSURE mails so difficult to say whether it works fine or
> > not. Nigel still on you how-to
> >
> > Can we say that once you have done a run on "Spam" and "NonSpam" folders
> > there are no reasons to keep their content that can be dumped ; we still
> > have to keep these folders to dump in "Spam" some messages of "unsure"
> > after making sure they must be processed as spam, and dumping in
> > "NonSpam" some messages of "unsure" after making sure they must be
> > processed as non spam.
> >
> > Once the content of "Spam" and "NonSpam" folders hs been updated we can
> > ru you script on them.
> >
> > I am still wondering abot the use of "nonspamnew" folder.
> > Regards.
>
> Bonjour Daniel. Apologies for not replying. I got sidetracked with a KDE4
> problem on my Archlinux install, and forgot all about replying to you.
>
> This is only my way of using the Spam, and NonSpam folders, and I'm sure
> others may do things differently, but this is how it goes. Having created
> the Spam, and NonSpam folders, and before starting to use bogofilter, I
> started to fill the Spam folder with spam that was coming into the inbox.
> At the same time I put the same amount of genuine mail in the NonSpam
> folder. Now there are about 200 emails in both the Spam, and NonSpam
> folders.
>
> Now having downloaded, and installed bogofilter, and having created
> the .bogofilter directory in my /home/user directory, and also having
> created the bogofilter filter, and the the filters for ham, spam, and
> unsure, for the first, and only time I run bogofilter -sv -B Mail/Spam/cur,
> and bogofilter -nv -B Mail/Nonspam/cur.
>
> Now when you next check the mail, bogofilter now has a bunch of spam, and
> ham to work with, and can decide, based on the spam, and ham in the
> ~/.bogofilter/wordlist.db, where to send the incoming mail. Mail that is
> obviously ham will be sent to the inbox. Mail that is obviously spam, will
> be sent to the wastebin, but personally I set up another folder, which I've
> named spamcheck, so that the spam goes there first, and I can make sure
> that no genuine messages havn't been wrongly identified as spam. After that
> I can empty the spamcheck contents into the wastebin.
>
> Now onto the unsure folder. Some spam can look like genuine email, or the
> spammers are trying new ways of getting past the spam filters, and if
> bogofilter isn't sure it will send it to the unsure folder. Of course the
> more you train bogofilter on new spam which turns up in the unsure folder,
> the less errors it makes. Some ham (nonspam) also at times can look a bit
> spammy. For example some genuine emails may have words included, that
> normally turn up in spam emails. Bogofilter again isn't sure, so sends
> these to the unsure folder.
>
> Now I said earlier on that I only run bogofilters training once on the
> Spam, and Nonspam folders, and you could after doing that just send all
> your spam, and ham in these folders to the wastebin. then after doing that
> you could sort the unsure mails out, send the spam to the Spam folder, and
> the ham to the Nonspam folder, and run the training script on both again.
>
> Doing it this way though, if for some reason or other your wordlist.db
> should become corrupted, you have to start all over again, which is why I
> train just once on the 200 emails in the Spam, and Nonspam folders, and
> leave all the ham, and spam in these folders. As I still have all my spam,
> and ham in these 2 folders, if the wordlist.db should become corrupted, and
> I have to delete it, all I have to do is rerun the training program for
> both folders, and the wordlist.db will be recreated.
>
> This is why I also created the folders "spam", and "Nonspamnew". I use
> these for the mail that is in the unsure folder. Each day I check the
> unsure folder, and send the spam to the "spam" folder, and the ham to the
> "Nonspamnew" folder. Now I don't run the training program on these 2
> folders every day, and usually wait until there are about 100 spam mails in
> the "spam" folder, then run the following.
> bogofilter -sv -B Mail/spam/cur
> bogofilter -nv -B Mail/Nonspamnew/cur
>
> Now I want to move these spam, and ham newly trained emails to the Spam,
> and Nonspam folders, so that if the wordlist.db should become corrupted,
> all the latest ham, and spam will be available to recreate the wordlist.db.
>
> Ctrl +A will highlight all the mails in the spam folder, and right click,
> and move to Spam, will add these latest spam emails to the Spam folder.
>
> Back to your problem with the unsure filter. This is what you said, see
> below.
>
> <quote>
> Apprently everything works fine except that all "unsure" prefixed in
>  subjet as ???UNSURE??? end-up in my inbox folder though fliter-4 is
>  upposed to get them dumped into folder unsure !
> <end quote>
>
> I'm not sure if I understand you here. Could you show how you have this
> filter setup.
>
> The first line should show:
> X-Bogosity          contains        Unsure
>
> Depending on how many e-mails you receive each day, you should be getting
> some in the unsure box. the more you train bogofilter, the less mail should
> be in the unsure box, but this takes some time, and when spammers change
> their methods, you may well find more spam in the unsure box again.
>
Nigel, thanks for all these details ; I have found what was wrong about UNSURE 
messages wrongly forwarded : I had "X-Bogosity " set in filter rather than "X-
Bogosity".

I have to leave for a few days ; when I am back I will have to go back to your 
4 filters as set in my KMail KDE-4 and compare their efficiency with what I 
had set in my KMail KDE-3 baucuse apparently training on Bogofilter is not as 
good : some spam messages keep coming back

Daniel.
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