Re: How do I revoke a Keyword using TMDA cgi?
Ron Stordahl <[email protected]> Sun, 10 Aug 2014 19:45:06 -0700
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--===============2012400617743738085== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-65459842-378204774-1407725106=:36828" ---65459842-378204774-1407725106=:36828 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the response Toby.=0A=0AI have some concerns:=0A=0AWill TMDA con= tinue into the future, or fade away due to as you said.."I fear it (tmda)ma= y eventually die, unless someone puts in the=0Aeffort of porting it to a mo= dern python version..."=A0 That would be a shame!=A0 If one of the develope= rs reads this I hope he will comment about that possibility.=0A=0AI made re= ference to a system called 'Traveler' http://www.vsta.org/spam/Traveler.htm= l which takes a different approach..assigning a separate email address to b= e used by each correspondent.=A0 =0A=0A=0AYou suggest that perhaps this cou= ld be implemented through tmda-ofmipd.=A0 I had never heard of tmda-ofmipd,= but I searched for it and have to admit I don't understand it.=A0 Does it = run on the server?=A0 It would seem to be useful only if this were true as = I want to be able to be able to use email clients on various machines inclu= ding smart phones taking advantage of tmda.=0A=0A=0AI am able to use TMDA o= nly via an e-mail provider who provides it, my control is only through tmda= -cgi.=0A=0AFor now that will be my only means of using TMDA, perhaps this w= ill be sufficient.=A0 For now I am only experimenting with TMDA.=A0 Should = I decide this is what I want I then have to start the tedious job of making= the change.=A0=A0 Lots of address changes for my correspondents, mailing l= ists and web sites.=A0 Perhaps this Fall I will find the time.=0A=0A=0ARon = Stordahl=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=A0 =0A=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =0ATraveler, a Spam-resis= tant E-mail System=0AOverview=0ATraveler is an E-mail system in use by me, = Andy Valencia,=0Ahandling E-mail for my personal domains as well as my oper= ating=0Asystem projects, vsta.org and=0Aforthos.org. =0AView on www.vsta.= org Preview by Yahoo =0A=A0 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Sunday, August 10, 2014 1:31= PM, Toby Cubitt <[email protected]> wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0AOn Sun, Aug 10, 201= 4 at 10:55:20AM -0700, Ron Stordahl wrote:=0A> By experimenting I found tha= t if I post the keyword address into=0A> Lists\Revoked and click Save, that= keyword is revoked.=A0 However simply=0A> removing it from that screen and= clicking Save will 'unrevoke' it.=A0=0A> This is satisfactory, wish it had= been documented, maybe it was, but I=0A> couldn't find it.=A0=0A=0AYes, th= at's the method I was advocating. I can't remember whether I read=0Aabout i= t somewhere, or just figured it out.=0A=0A> I am under the impression that = TMDA isn't much used.=0A=0AI think it's still used, but is essentially no l= onger developed or=0Amaintained. I fear it may eventually die, unless someo= ne puts in the=0Aeffort of porting it to a modern python version...=0A=0ABu= t for now, it works fine and is pretty feature-complete.=0A=0A> I don't thi= nk the objections regarding challenge-response are very=0A>=A0 significant.= =A0 All in all it seems like a pretty good system.=0A=0AIndeed.=0A=0A> It d= oes fall down with respect to mailing lists.=A0 Perhaps at the time=0A>=A0 = of the design of TMDA, mailing lists were not refusing postings from=0A>=A0= unmatching e-mail addresses,=0A=0ANo, mailing lists have been doing this s= ince time immemorial!=0A=0A> i.e. other than one you registered with.=A0 Si= nce I know=A0 of no way for=0A>=A0 the mail server to substitute the keywor= d address for my real address=0A>=A0 when posting i can't see how one can s= uccessfully use TMDA with=0A>=A0 mailing lists other than to use your 'stan= dard' address. And even then=0A>=A0 mailing lists can use multiple sending = addresses depending upon the=0A>=A0 function they are performing.=A0 So as = a result I have found with a ham=0A>=A0 radio list, 'topband' that even tho= ugh it typically sends with address=0A>=A0 '[email protected]= ' at other times it replaces bounces=0A>=A0 with something else, which woul= d result in a challenge.=A0 The solution=0A>=A0 is to whitelist 'topband*@m= ailman.qth.net' to cover these variations.=0A=0AYou should read this:=0A=0A= =A0 http://www.arda.homeunix.net/tmda-mailing-lists-howto/=0A=0AThere are v= arious good solutions for using TMDA with mailing lists=0A(though most of t= hem require using tmda-ofmipd).=0A=0A> All in all I think I can use TMDA.= =A0 It looks like I am the only person=0A> to post to the TMDA mailing list= in 2014!=A0=0A=0AAnd it's likely to stay that way for the rest of 2014 :)= =0A=0A> Incidentally are you familiar with this=0A> http://www.vsta.org/spa= m/Traveler.html.=0A=0AI hadn't seen it before.=0A=0A> It is a different con= cept which automatically assigns a unique e-mail=0A> address to everyone in= your address book.=A0 The author seems willing to=0A> share the code.=0A= =0AI think you can configure TMDA to work this way if you want, by=0Aconfig= uring tmda-ofmipd to use a sender-address for all outgoing=0Amail. That sou= nds better to me than the Traveler system, as also get all=0Athe other TMDA= features (like automated challenges to new correspondents=0Awho aren't alr= eady on your list).=0A=0AHowever, I don't use TMDA like this, so you'd have= to experiment for=0Ayourself / read the TMDA documentation on tmda.net (wh= ich is surprisingly=0Agood).=0A=0ATMDA really is an amazingly flexible syst= em. It's a shame it's=0Aunmaintained.=0A=0A> I don't think the spam problem= has been solved, but perhaps it has been=0A> controlled to the point that = most users are satisfied with the=0A> filtering method.=0A=0AI use filterin= g *together with* TMDA. Indeed, you should probably always=0Ause TMDA in co= mbination with a filter if you want to be a good net=0Acitizen.=0A=0AThe re= ason is that spam is often forged to come from a valid email=0Aaddress. Cha= llenging obvious spam just sends a challenge to the unwitting=0Avictim whos= e address has been used by the spammer, and who never emailed=0Ayou in the = first place. Which as bad as spamming them.=0A=0AYou can configure TMDA not= to challenge mails that are above a given spam=0Ascore. That way obvious s= pam to your address doesn't generate further=0A"challenge-spam". Addresses = on your whitelist/keyword/dated etc. still=0Aalways get through unchallenge= d (which accounts for most mail=0Aanyway). And mail from new correspondents= that doesn't look like obvious=0Aspam gets challenged.=0A=0AYou can set th= e spam score threshold as low or high as you want. A higher=0Athreshold mea= ns means you risk fewer false positives but generate more=0Achallenge spam,= and vice versa.=0A=0AHTH,=0A=0AToby=0A=0A=0A> On Sunday, August 10, 2014 9= :26 AM, Toby Cubitt <[email protected]> wrote:=0A>= =A0 =0A> =0A> =0A> Hi Ron,=0A> =0A> I believe the canonical way is simply t= o create a "revoked" list, and=0A> configure TMDA to challenge all addresse= s on that list. Then simply add=0A> the keyword address you want to revoke = to the "revoked" list.=0A> =0A> If I remember right (it's a long time since= I've needed to do this), to=0A> create a new address list file in TMDA-cgi= , you simple add a rule that=0A> refers to the new list to your incoming fi= lter. TMDA-cgi will then create=0A> the file for you, and you can start add= ing addresses to it in the usual=0A> way.=0A> =0A> Hope that helps,=0A> =0A= > Toby=0A> =0A> =0A> On Sat, Aug 09, 2014 at 05:55:06PM -0700, Ron Stordahl= wrote:=0A> > I am testing TMDA offered by a e-mail provider.=A0 My interfa= ce to it is via the TMDA cgi.=0A> > =0A> > I have created a 'keyword' addre= ss and tested it, it works.=0A> > =0A> > But how to I revoke it?=A0 I can't= find anything in the TMDA cgi screens which permit me to do so.=0A> > =0A>= > Ron=0A> =0A> > ---------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------=0A> =0A> > __________________________________________= _____=0A> > tmda-users mailing list=0A> > [email protected]= =0A> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tmda-users=0A> =0A> =0A= =0A-- =0ADr T. S. Cubitt=0ARoyal Society University Research Fellow=0AFello= w of Churchill College, Cambridge=0ACentre for Quantum Information=0ADAMTP,= University of Cambridge=0A=0A=0Aemail: [email protected]=0Aweb:=A0 www.dr-= qubit.org ---65459842-378204774-1407725106=:36828 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:He= lveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;fo= nt-size:12pt"><div style=3D"" class=3D""><span style=3D"" class=3D"">Thanks= for the response Toby.</span></div><div class=3D"" style=3D"color: rgb(0, = 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica= ,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style:= normal;"><br style=3D"" class=3D""><span style=3D"" class=3D""></span></di= v><div class=3D"" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-famil= y: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; b= ackground-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style=3D"" class= =3D"">I have some concerns:</span></div><div class=3D"" style=3D"color: rgb= (0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helve= tica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-st= yle: normal;"><br style=3D"" class=3D""><span style=3D"" class=3D""></span></div><div class=3D"" style= =3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvet= ica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transp= arent; font-style: normal;"><span style=3D"" class=3D"">Will TMDA continue = into the future, or fade away due to as you said.."</span>I fear it (tmda)m= ay eventually die, unless someone puts in the<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clea= r=3D"none">effort of porting it to a modern python version..." That w= ould be a shame! If one of the developers reads this I hope he will c= omment about that possibility.</div><div class=3D"" style=3D"color: rgb(0, = 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica= ,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style:= normal;"><br style=3D"" class=3D""></div><div class=3D"" style=3D"color: r= gb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Hel= vetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">I m= ade reference to a system called 'Traveler' <a style=3D"" class=3D"" href= =3D"http://www.vsta.org/spam/Traveler.html">http://www.vsta.org/spam/Travel= er.html</a> which takes a different approach..assigning a separate email ad= dress to be used by each correspondent. <br style=3D"" class=3D""></d= iv><div class=3D"" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-fami= ly: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; = background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br style=3D"" class=3D= ""></div><div class=3D"" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; fon= t-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-s= erif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">You suggest that = perhaps this could be implemented through tmda-ofmipd. I had never he= ard of tmda-ofmipd, but I searched for it and have to admit I don't underst= and it. Does it run on the server? It would seem to be useful only if this w= ere true as I want to be able to be able to use email clients on various ma= chines including smart phones taking advantage of tmda.<br></div><div class= =3D"" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: Helvetica= Neue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-co= lor: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div class=3D"" style=3D"c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica N= eue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent= ; font-style: normal;">I am able to use TMDA only via an e-mail provider wh= o provides it, my control is only through tmda-cgi.</div><div class=3D"" st= yle=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Hel= vetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: tra= nsparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div class=3D"" style=3D"color: rg= b(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,A= rial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: n= ormal;">For now that will be my only means of using TMDA, perhaps this will= be sufficient. For now I am only experimenting with TMDA. Shou= ld I decide this is what I want I then have to start the tedious job of mak= ing the change. Lots of address changes for my correspondents, = mailing lists and web sites. Perhaps this Fall I will find the time.<= br></div><div class=3D"" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; fon= t-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-s= erif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div cl= ass=3D"" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: Helvet= icaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background= -color: transparent; font-style: normal;">Ron Stordahl<br></div><div class=3D"" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: Hel= veticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; backgro= und-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div class=3D"" styl= e=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helve= tica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: trans= parent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div class=3D"" style=3D"color: rgb(= 0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvet= ica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-sty= le: normal;"><br></div><div style=3D"width:450px; font-family: 'Georgia', '= Times', 'Times New Roman', 'serif';margin-top:5px; margin-bottom: 5px;" id= =3D"enhancrCard_1" class=3D"" contenteditable=3D"false"><table class=3D"" s= tyle=3D"width:450px; height:auto; position: relative; display: block;" bord= er=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0"><tbody style=3D"" class=3D""><= tr style=3D"" class=3D""><td class=3D"" colspan=3D"7" style=3D"height: 1px; background-color: #e5e5e5; = font-size: 1px; border-collapse: collapse;"><div class=3D"" style=3D"height= : 1px; background-color: #e5e5e5; font-size: 1px; line-height:0px;"> <= /div></td></tr><tr style=3D"" class=3D""><td rowspan=3D"5" class=3D"" style= =3D"width: 1px; background-color: #e5e5e5; font-size: 1pt; border-collapse:= collapse;"><div class=3D"" style=3D"width: 1px; background-color: #e5e5e5;= font-size: 1pt;"> </div></td><td rowspan=3D"5" class=3D"" style=3D"wi= dth: 14px; background-color: #ffffff; font-size: 0pt; border-collapse: coll= apse;"><div class=3D"" style=3D"width: 14px; background-color: #ffffff; fon= t-size: 14pt;"> </div></td><td colspan=3D"2" class=3D"" style=3D"heigh= t: 6px; background-color: #ffffff; font-size: 0pt; border-collapse: collaps= e;"><div class=3D"" style=3D"height: 6px; background-color: #ffffff; font-s= ize: 6pt;"> </div></td><td rowspan=3D"5" class=3D"" style=3D"width: 20= px; background-color: #ffffff; font-size: 0pt; border-collapse: collapse;"><div class=3D"" style=3D"width: 20px; bac= kground-color: #ffffff; font-size: 20pt;"> </div></td><td class=3D"" r= owspan=3D"5" style=3D"width: 1px; background-color: #e5e5e5; font-size: 1pt= ; border-collapse: collapse;" width=3D"1"><div class=3D"" style=3D"width: 1= px; background-color: #e5e5e5; font-size: 1pt;"> </div></td></tr><tr s= tyle=3D"" class=3D""><td class=3D"" colspan=3D"2" style=3D"width: 100%; ver= tical-align: middle; font-family: 'Georgia', 'Times', 'Times New Roman', 's= erif';"><div class=3D"" style=3D"line-height:16.5px; background-color: #fff= fff; width: 414px;"><div class=3D"" style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; word-b= reak: break-all;"><span style=3D"" class=3D""></span><span style=3D"" class= =3D""></span><a href=3D"http://www.vsta.org/spam/Traveler.html" class=3D"" = style=3D"text-decoration: none !important; color: #000000 !important; line-= height: 100%; font-size: 18px; display: block;"><span class=3D"" style=3D"m= argin: 0; font-weight: normal;margin-bottom: 3px; font-size: 18px; line-height: 21px; max-height: 43px; color: #000000;= overflow: hidden !important; display: inline-block;">Traveler, a Spam-resi= stant E-mail System</span></a><div style=3D"font-size: 13px; line-height: 2= 0px; color: #999999; max-height: 81px; font-family: 'Georgia', 'Times', 'Ti= mes New Roman', 'serif';overflow: hidden;" class=3D"">Overview=0ATraveler i= s an E-mail system in use by me, Andy Valencia,=0Ahandling E-mail for my pe= rsonal domains as well as my operating=0Asystem projects, vsta.org and=0Afo= rthos.org. </div></div></div></td></tr><tr style=3D"" class=3D""><td colspa= n=3D"2" class=3D"" style=3D"height: 6px; background-color: #ffffff; font-si= ze: 0pt; border-collapse: collapse;"><div class=3D"" style=3D"height: 6px; = background-color: #ffffff; font-size: 6pt;"></div></td></tr><tr style=3D"" = class=3D""><td class=3D"" style=3D"vertical-align: middle; font-family: 'Ar= ial', 'Helvetica Neue', 'Helvetica', 'sans-serif';"><div class=3D"" style= =3D"font-size: 0pt;"><a href=3D"http://www.vsta.org/spam/Traveler.html" cla= ss=3D"" style=3D"color: black; text-decoration: none !important;cursor:poin= ter !important;" target=3D"_blank"><span class=3D"" style=3D"display: inlin= e-block; line-height: 11px; max-width: 314px; min-width: 254px; overflow: h= idden; max-height: 13px; word-break: break-all;"><span class=3D"" style=3D"= vertical-align:middle; font-size: 9px; line-height: 11px; color: #999999; -= moz-text-size-adjust: none; -ms-text-size-adjust: none; -webkit-text-size-a= djust:none; text-size-adjust:none;">View on <span style=3D"font-weight: bold" class=3D= "">www.vsta.org</span></span></span></a></div></td><td class=3D"" style=3D"= vertical-align: middle; width: 100px; font-family: 'Arial', 'Helvetica Neue= ', 'Helvetica', 'sans-serif';"><div class=3D"" style=3D"max-width: 100px; m= in-width: 80px; overflow: hidden; text-align: right; line-height: 11px; max= -height: 13px; font-size: 0pt;"><span class=3D"" style=3D"vertical-align:mi= ddle; font-size: 9px; line-height: 11px; color: #999999; -moz-text-size-adj= ust: none; -ms-text-size-adjust: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:none; text-= size-adjust:none;">Preview by Yahoo</span></div></td></tr><tr style=3D"" cl= ass=3D""><td colspan=3D"2" class=3D"" style=3D"height: 9px; background-colo= r: #ffffff; font-size: 0pt; border-collapse: collapse;"><div class=3D"" sty= le=3D"height: 9px; background-color: #ffffff; font-size: 9pt;"></div></td><= /tr><tr style=3D"" class=3D""><td class=3D"" colspan=3D"7" style=3D"height:= 1px; background-color: #e5e5e5; font-size: 1px; border-collapse: collapse;"><div class=3D"" style=3D"heigh= t: 1px; background-color: #e5e5e5; font-size: 1px; line-height:0px"> <= /div></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div class=3D"" style=3D"color: rgb(0,= 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetic= a,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style= : normal;"><br style=3D"" class=3D""></div><div class=3D"" style=3D"color: = rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,He= lvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font= -style: normal;"><br style=3D"" class=3D""></div> <div class=3D"qtdSeparate= BR"><br><br></div><div style=3D"display: block;" class=3D"yahoo_quoted"> <d= iv class=3D"" style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetic= a, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div class=3D"" sty= le=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida = Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"" class=3D"" dir=3D"ltr"> <font style=3D"= " class=3D"" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> On Sunday, August 10, 2014 1:31 PM,= Toby Cubitt <[email protected]> wrote:<br style=3D"" class=3D""> </f= ont> </div> <br style=3D"" class=3D""><br style=3D"" class=3D""> <div styl= e=3D"" class=3D"">On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 10:55:20AM -0700, Ron Stordahl wr= ote:<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> By experimenting I found = that if I post the keyword address into<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"n= one">> Lists\Revoked and click Save, that keyword is revoked. Howe= ver simply<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> removing it from th= at screen and clicking Save will 'unrevoke' it. <br style=3D"" class= =3D"" clear=3D"none">> This is satisfactory, wish it had been documented= , maybe it was, but I<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> couldn't= find it. <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style=3D"" clas= s=3D"" clear=3D"none">Yes, that's the method I was advocating. I can't remember whether I read<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">abou= t it somewhere, or just figured it out.<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"n= one"><br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> I am under the impressio= n that TMDA isn't much used.<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br st= yle=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">I think it's still used, but is essentia= lly no longer developed or<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">maintain= ed. I fear it may eventually die, unless someone puts in the<br style=3D"" = class=3D"" clear=3D"none">effort of porting it to a modern python version..= .<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear= =3D"none">But for now, it works fine and is pretty feature-complete.<br sty= le=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">= > I don't think the objections regarding challenge-response are very<br = style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> significant. All in a= ll it seems like a pretty good system.<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">Indeed.<br style= =3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">&g= t; It does fall down with respect to mailing lists. Perhaps at the ti= me<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> of the design of TMDA= , mailing lists were not refusing postings from<br style=3D"" class=3D"" cl= ear=3D"none">> unmatching e-mail addresses,<br style=3D"" class=3D= "" clear=3D"none"><br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">No, mailing list= s have been doing this since time immemorial!<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clea= r=3D"none"><br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> i.e. other than on= e you registered with. Since I know of no way for<br style=3D""= class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> the mail server to substitute the key= word address for my real address<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">&g= t; when posting i can't see how one can successfully use TMDA with<br= style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> mailing lists other than to use your 'standard' address. And even then<br style=3D"" class=3D"= " clear=3D"none">> mailing lists can use multiple sending addresse= s depending upon the<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> fun= ction they are performing. So as a result I have found with a ham<br = style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> radio list, 'topband' that = even though it typically sends with address<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear= =3D"none">> '<a style=3D"" class=3D"" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"ma= ilto:[email protected]" href=3D"mailto:topband-bounces@mailma= n.qth.net">[email protected]</a>' at other times it replaces = bounces<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> with something e= lse, which would result in a challenge. The solution<br style=3D"" cl= ass=3D"" clear=3D"none">> is to whitelist 'topband*@mailman.qth.ne= t' to cover these variations.<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br s= tyle=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">You should read this:<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style=3D"" class=3D"" cl= ear=3D"none"> <a style=3D"" class=3D"" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"http://= www.arda.homeunix.net/tmda-mailing-lists-howto/" target=3D"_blank">http://w= ww.arda.homeunix.net/tmda-mailing-lists-howto/</a><br style=3D"" class=3D""= clear=3D"none"><br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">There are various = good solutions for using TMDA with mailing lists<br style=3D"" class=3D"" c= lear=3D"none">(though most of them require using tmda-ofmipd).<br style=3D"= " class=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> A= ll in all I think I can use TMDA. It looks like I am the only person<= br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> to post to the TMDA mailing li= st in 2014! <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style=3D"" cl= ass=3D"" clear=3D"none">And it's likely to stay that way for the rest of 20= 14 :)<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style=3D"" class=3D"" cle= ar=3D"none">> Incidentally are you familiar with this<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> http://www.vsta.org/spam/Traveler.html.<br = style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"non= e">I hadn't seen it before.<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br sty= le=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> It is a different concept which auto= matically assigns a unique e-mail<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">&= gt; address to everyone in your address book. The author seems willin= g to<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> share the code.<br style= =3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">I = think you can configure TMDA to work this way if you want, by<br style=3D""= class=3D"" clear=3D"none">configuring tmda-ofmipd to use a sender-address = for all outgoing<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">mail. That sounds = better to me than the Traveler system, as also get all<br style=3D"" class= =3D"" clear=3D"none">the other TMDA features (like automated challenges to = new correspondents<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">who aren't already on your list).<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style= =3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">However, I don't use TMDA like this, so you= 'd have to experiment for<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">yourself = / read the TMDA documentation on tmda.net (which is surprisingly<br style= =3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">good).<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"no= ne"><br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">TMDA really is an amazingly fl= exible system. It's a shame it's<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">un= maintained.<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style=3D"" class=3D= "" clear=3D"none">> I don't think the spam problem has been solved, but = perhaps it has been<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> controlled= to the point that most users are satisfied with the<br style=3D"" class=3D= "" clear=3D"none">> filtering method.<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"= none"><br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">I use filtering *together wi= th* TMDA. Indeed, you should probably always<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">use TMDA in combination with a filter if you want to be a g= ood net<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">citizen.<br style=3D"" clas= s=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">The reason i= s that spam is often forged to come from a valid email<br style=3D"" class= =3D"" clear=3D"none">address. Challenging obvious spam just sends a challen= ge to the unwitting<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">victim whose ad= dress has been used by the spammer, and who never emailed<br style=3D"" cla= ss=3D"" clear=3D"none">you in the first place. Which as bad as spamming the= m.<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear= =3D"none">You can configure TMDA not to challenge mails that are above a gi= ven spam<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">score. That way obvious sp= am to your address doesn't generate further<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear= =3D"none">"challenge-spam". Addresses on your whitelist/keyword/dated etc. = still<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">always get through unchallenged (which accounts for most mail<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear= =3D"none">anyway). And mail from new correspondents that doesn't look like = obvious<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">spam gets challenged.<br st= yle=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none"= >You can set the spam score threshold as low or high as you want. A higher<= br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">threshold means means you risk fewe= r false positives but generate more<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none"= >challenge spam, and vice versa.<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none"><b= r style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">HTH,<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear= =3D"none"><br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">Toby<br style=3D"" class= =3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style=3D"= " class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> On Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:26 AM, Toby C= ubitt <<a style=3D"" class=3D"" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:toby-da= [email protected]" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">toby-dated-14088= [email protected]</a>> wrote:<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"= none">> <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> <br style=3D= "" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">= > Hi Ron,<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> <br style=3D"" cl= ass=3D"" clear=3D"none">> I believe the canonical way is simply to creat= e a "revoked" list, and<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> config= ure TMDA to challenge all addresses on that list. Then simply add<br style= =3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> the keyword address you want to revoke= to the "revoked" list.<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> <br st= yle=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> If I remember right (it's a long ti= me since I've needed to do this), to<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none= ">> create a new address list file in TMDA-cgi, you simple add a rule th= at<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> refers to the new list to your incoming filter. TMDA-cgi will then create<br style=3D"" clas= s=3D"" clear=3D"none">> the file for you, and you can start adding addre= sses to it in the usual<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> way.<b= r style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear= =3D"none">> Hope that helps,<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">>= ; <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> Toby<br style=3D"" class=3D= "" clear=3D"none">> <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> <br st= yle=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> On Sat, Aug 09, 2014 at 05:55:06PM = -0700, Ron Stordahl wrote:<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> >= ; I am testing TMDA offered by a e-mail provider. My interface to it = is via the TMDA cgi.<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> > <br = style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> > I have created a 'keyword' a= ddress and tested it, it works.<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">>= ; > <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> > But how to I revo= ke it? I can't find anything in the TMDA cgi screens which permit me to= do so.<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> > <br style=3D"" cl= ass=3D"" clear=3D"none">> > Ron<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"non= e">> <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> > ----------------= --------------------------------------------------------------<br style=3D"= " class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">&= gt; > _______________________________________________<br style=3D"" clas= s=3D"" clear=3D"none">> > tmda-users mailing list<br style=3D"" class= =3D"" clear=3D"none">> > <a style=3D"" class=3D"" shape=3D"rect" ymai= lto=3D"mailto:[email protected]" href=3D"mailto:tmda-users@l= ists.sourceforge.net">[email protected]</a><br style=3D"" cl= ass=3D"" clear=3D"none">> > <a style=3D"" class=3D"" shape=3D"rect" h= ref=3D"https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tmda-users" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tmda-users<= /a><br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> <br style=3D"" class=3D"" = clear=3D"none">> <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style=3D""= class=3D"" clear=3D"none">-- <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">Dr T= . 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