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While I'm looking at alternatives, I would definitely stay on maia if the
php problems were solved. There is interest, for sure.

Joe

On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 10:20 AM P.J. Tezza <[email protected]> wrote:

> Like others here, I am still running Maia because it continues to work.
>
> From earlier posts, it looks like moving the Perl code to modern Debian is
> straightforward and now the main issue is that the PHP code can't run on
> modern PHP without changes. Having worked on projects like this in the
> past, my guess is that upgrading the PHP code to the latest and greatest
> probably isn't a big deal. If there will be more than just me using it, I
> could be convinced to work on it. In the past, I've been using Ubuntu, but
> it looks like Debian 13 might be more popular for this project?
>
> PJ
> On 9/10/25 9:35 AM, jjs - mainphrame wrote:
>
> Just to conclude my train of thought here, I'm looking at a promising
> possibility called Modoboa - it's a system somewhat like maia, but uses
> django and vue instead of php for the web interface. Looks very promising.
> I'll be putting it through its paces.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Joe
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 8:56 AM jjs - mainphrame <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Much as it pains me to say it, if the maia web interface is not updated
>> to work with current software versions, I'll have to end this chapter, It's
>> been a good run. We rolled out maia, with a support contract, to 6000 users
>> at Toyota back in the early 2000s, and it beat all the available commercial
>> solutions. Our east coast plant had spent nearly half a million dollars on
>> a well known commercial solution, but in the end, they asked us to let them
>> route their incoming mail through our maia system instead. It
>> performed flawlessly. I'm gratified to see that all the perl code from 2005
>> works perfectly today, with the latest OS releases. The php component
>> turned out to be the achilles heel.
>>
>> I've reached out to Robert LeBlanc and haven't heard back, so it doesn't
>> look good at this point.
>>
>> I suppose the next best thing would be to have spamassassin, and possibly
>> amavis, just tag suspected spam, deliver it and let my MUA sort it out.
>> That simplifies things by eliminating the need for a web interface, and
>> letting the end user mail program handle the details.
>>
>> In the meantime I'll be on the lookout for any maia alternatives that I
>> can recommend to others.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2025 at 12:21 PM jjs - mainphrame <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Janky,
>>>
>>> I agree, the web situation is ugly, but the rest of it works so well I
>>> continue to hope that it might be updated.
>>>
>>> Just out of curiosity, have you tried mailscanner?
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2025 at 12:15 PM Janky Jay, III <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, it is no longer in ports since the project died upstream
>>>> and PHP7 on FBSD is unsupported. I was the port maintainer and finally, but
>>>> sadly, submitted its removal about 6 months ago.
>>>>
>>>> In all honesty, and it hurts me in my soul to say this, I would highly
>>>> suggest moving away from Maia-Mailguard. I ended up migrating to Rspamd
>>>> (very easy migration) which takes a more modern approach and no longer
>>>> requires a web UI. Spam/Ham is learned via IMAP mail movements so there
>>>> isn't any user interface to maintain. Makes things very simple and you can
>>>> incorporate all kinds of goodies with it from SpamAssassin scoring to
>>>> ClamAV scanning to blacklist/whitelist to DMARC/SPF, etc... I just really
>>>> don't want to see anyone taking a hit by running such a vulnerable version
>>>> of PHP.
>>>>
>>>> Just my two cents.
>>>>
>>>> On 9/9/25 01:02PM, jjs - mainphrame wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I know of several mailguard users on FreeBSD.
>>>>
>>>> If it's not in ports, I think it comes from this repo -
>>>> https://github.com/technion/maia_mailguard
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2025 at 11:49 AM jason hirsh <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.  I really liked Mailguard  Bur.. I am on FreeBSD
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 9, 2025, at 2:43 PM, jjs - mainphrame <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Some have reported issues reading the text in my OP, so here's a
>>>>> screenshot
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2025 at 10:32 AM jjs - mainphrame <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My os upgrades for the maia service here are complete, to the extent
>>>>>> possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everything runs beautifully on Debian 13, with the exception, of
>>>>>> course, of the web portal, which must for now at least, remain on
>>>>>> php 7.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If only The web component could be updated, maia would be golden.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Old                                     New
>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> maia servers
>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> os              Debian 11               Debian 13
>>>>>> maiad           1.0.4.1524              1.0.4.1524
>>>>>> postfix         3.5.25                  3.10.4
>>>>>> spamassassin    3.4.6                   4.0.1
>>>>>> clamav          1.09                    1.4.3
>>>>>> perl            5.32                    5.40
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> db server
>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> os              Centos 7                Debian 13
>>>>>> db              mariadb 5.5.68          mariadb 11.8.3
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> web portal
>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> os              Debian 11
>>>>>> httpd           2.4.65
>>>>>> php             7.4.33
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> pop/imap server
>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> os              Centos 7                Debian 13
>>>>>> pop/imap        dovecot 2.2.36          dovecot 2.4.1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>
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