Re: Death penalty

>> It's not an "attitude," it's a fact. Just because you don't like a
>> fact, that doesn't make it subjective.
>>
>> **oh bullshit.  It is not a fact at all, it is a theory and an ideology.
>> Unless you and I are in really distant places aboput what a fact is....

Oh, really? Murder has ceased in area where capital punoshment is in effect?
I wasnt aware of that.

***yea!  Strawman alert!  No one said it prevented ALL murders. But that is
not the same being a preventative factor, is it?


> Indeed, Karl. The thousands of years of recorded history wherein
> killing begat killing is certainly a testament to your position... oh,
> wait...
>
> ***and uh wtf are YOU talking about?

I'm talking about the thousands of years of evidence which shows that
capital punishment doesn't prevent murder.

**totally?  Nope, and good thing that neither Mike or I have made that
claim.

> Indeed, see how well the death penalty has stopped murder?
>
> **It has I have read studies that prove it.  And you have likely read them
> that prove opposite.  Meaning the issue is in doubtr, or is likely tainted
> bt predisposition.

It has? Well, please link to those studies. I'd be pleased to review them.

**dig em up tomorrow.  Or google it, if you actually care about the answer.
Frankly why bother linking when you have your mind made up.

>>> *** the biggest block to it providing deterrence is
>>> really the fact that it is not a realistic punishment
>>> with the decades of appeals and legal bs.
>>
>> I wonder how realistic it seemed to the 45 murdered
>> by the state so far this year.
>>
>> **sad.  Just sad.
>
> Yes, very.
>
> ***I meant you, as you well know.

What is sad about me? The fact that I give a shit about the 45 people
who've been murdered this year? That's sad to you, is it?

**no, the fact you dump such stupid rhetoric with a straight face.

**To equate murder with execution is boggling.  I can only assume you never
had a friend murdered.

**I have.  maybe that makes me a son of a bitch, but oh well.


>  If you can point to a method of prevention
> that has resulted in such, please point to it. if you can't, then
> please shut the fuck up about it.
>
> **We just had a home invasion here locally where the homeowner killed one
> invader and drove off the others.  Id say that deterred the hell out of
his
> family being murdered.

Well, that's a marvelous story. I'm not sure what it has to do with
anything we're talking about, but if it distracts you from the issue
at hand, fair enough.


**self defense prevents murder.  


> **Shut the fuck up yourself, your condescending bullshit is getting really
> annoying.

Excellent point. I'll take it under consideration.

(Oh, wait... my level of annoying has nothing to do with fact or
fiction, right or wrong, does it? Nevermind, then. I guess your
position will be held to account, after all.)

**No I am tired of you judging me as contemptible.


>> **Killing a murderer is justice.  The bible says so.
>
> The Bible says a lot of things. Are you prepared to submit that
> eveything the Bible "says" is justice? A simple "yes" or "no" is
> required.
>
> ***Ah, so only PCG gets to selectively quote.

Nope. quote all you like. Just make a case of it, that's all.

**Fine.  The bible condemns a murdered to death.  Done.  Don’t tell me I am
contemptible.

> **Hypocriyte.

Sticks and stones, my friend.

**Not really but whatever.


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