Re: Don't shoot messenger for revealinguncomfortabletruths

I agree it is a mockery, and I am happy to see it in court where it belongs.  To
me that is the proper process. 
 
And I even agree with you about the TSA.
 
But the wiki leaks is, to me, a completely different can of worms. 
 
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Mike Findlay
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 4:29 PM
To: DADL (off topic)
Subject: Re: [DADL-OT] Don't shoot messenger for revealinguncomfortabletruths
 
But it makes a mockery of real security concerns.  How are we supposed to take
any govt. security claims seriously when they use if for this kind of bs?  Due
to the nonsense with TSA, 99% of the homeland security crap and then this kind
of stuff I’m skeptical of any national security claims they make.
 
Mike F. 
 
 
 
From: Karl <mailto:[email protected]>  
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 6:01 PM
To: 'DADL (off topic)' <mailto:[email protected]>  
Subject: Re: [DADL-OT] Don't shoot messenger for revealinguncomfortabletruths
 
I said the issue here was stupid.  I just see this as such a trivial issue I
refuse to compare it to release sensitive military data that could endanger
lives.
 
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Mike Findlay
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 3:48 PM
To: DADL (off topic)
Subject: Re: [DADL-OT] Don't shoot messenger for revealing uncomfortabletruths
 
If it’s a government building it is my building in a very real sense.  We need
to decide which is more important to us: freedom or safety.  I’m partial to
freedom because I realize life has risks and no one can assure me complete
safety at all times anyway.  
 
Using national security as an excuse to keep govt. building plans, (we aren’t
talking a military installation), secret is bullshit.  It used to be said that
patriotism was the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings but I don’t believe
it is true anymore.  Security is the last refuge and our govt is clinging to it
something fierce.
 
Mike F. 
 
 
 
 
From: Karl <mailto:[email protected]>  
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 4:44 PM
To: 'DADL (off topic)' <mailto:[email protected]>  
Subject: Re: [DADL-OT] Don't shoot messenger for revealing uncomfortabletruths
 
Wait, construction plans are a civil liberty?  Really?
 
Yes, I agree, keeping the plans hidden is stupid, but calling that a civil
liberty issue just seems like we are cheapening the concept more than it already
is.
 
You say “doing crap like this”, but I am failing to see a victim here.  This is
not thuggary, this is stupid bureaucracy.
 
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Lance McLain
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 2:16 PM
To: DADL (off topic)
Subject: Re: [DADL-OT] Don't shoot messenger for revealing uncomfortable truths
 
You know, when we have government doing crap like this with impunity...I think a
good dose of wikileaks is in order.
The government is supposed to be of the people, by the people, for the
people....but they sure don't want the people knowing what they are doing. Is
there nothing that the government can't claim needs to be secret?
 
regards,
-Lance
 
http://www.nj.com/news/local/index.ssf/2010/12/aclu_sues_state_for_keeping_hu.ht
ml
 
The American Civil Liberties Union has filed a lawsuit against the state after
it refused to release the construction plans for a barn used to store road salt,
on the basis that doing so would be a security risk.
[...]
Chiaffarano filed an OPRA request for the state's building plans, but was denied
her request as the state cited a 2002 executive order by Gov. James McGreevey.
The order, issued in the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the World
Trade Center and the Pentagon, allows the state to decline the release of public
records that would compromise the state's ability to "protect and defend the
state and its citizens against acts of sabotage or terrorism."
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