Re: Forget TRON: Legacy - give me the sequel to Buckaroo Banzai!

>> How about the whole Buddhist/Koan thing.  The notion that sometimes  
>> doing nothing is the best thing, the value of silence, the  
>> minimalism of Flynn's accomodations, etc...
>
> Well, suffice it to say that that is a complete departure from the  
> original film.  I don't necessarily mind the difference in  
> perspective, mind, but I *do* mind the fact that the transition from  
> one to the other is never fleshed out.  And it's all complicated  
> even more by the fact that the new film uses one of the theistic  
> rallying cries from the original film ("I fight for the users!") at  
> a crucial climactic point, despite the fact that the new film has  
> almost nothing to say about the user-program relationship (whereas  
> the user-program relationship was absolutely central to the original  
> film, with its input-output towers and so forth).
>
>>>> I can see why the critics and anyone who thinks too deeply panned  
>>>> this.
>>> But can you see why Tron fans are panning this?
>>
>> Yeah..they've grown up.
>
> No, that's not it at all.  The problem here is that Tron Legacy was  
> made by people who *don't like* the original Tron -- starting with  
> Disney-Pixar chief John Lasseter, who was apparently the guy who  
> convinced Disney to scrap the sequel that the original movie's  
> director had been developing, in favour of a new script that would  
> ignore all the social-technical ideas and focus instead on some half- 
> baked father-son stuff.

>>> But that's part of the problem right there.  The digital world  
>>> that we saw in the original film was not *Flynn's* creation, it  
>>> was *everyone's* creation.  And Tron's most important relationship  
>>> was not with Flynn, but with his actual user, i.e. Alan Bradley.
>>
>> Ah...well I hadn't seen the original film in so long, I might as  
>> well not have seen it.  So I had no problem with the film being  
>> inconsistent with it's predecessor.
>
> See, this is *exactly* why Disney refused to re-issue the film on  
> DVD or Blu-Ray *before* the sequel's release.  They knew the two  
> films had almost nothing in common (plus, of course, they were  
> afraid that 21st-century movie buffs might find the original film  
> too early-'80s).
>
>> :)  No worries.  I don't mean to say that you should have enjoyed  
>> it, if in fact you didn't.  I admit though, I enjoyed it much more  
>> before I read all the critical reviews later that told me why I  
>> shouldn't have. Killjoys.  ;-)
>
> Speaking as a Tron fan, it has been somewhat irksome, if not  
> painful, for me to see how a lot of the positive reviews are  
> essentially positive because the people writing them never cared for  
> the original movie in the first place, so they think the sequel  
> doesn't have to try to be any good either.  *They're* the ones  
> killing *my* joy, I say.  :)

OK. We are approaching the film from two different perspectives.  I  
have virtually no connection with the original and am not a fan of it  
so it doesn't really bother me about unexplained inconsistencies and  
transitions or the likes/dislikes of the creators of it or the  
machinations of the media machine to manipulate.  From my perspective,  
it might has well be named "Hacker" or some such and be a complete  
stand alone film, that is how I saw it.   I can understand better how  
Tron fans could be disappointed.  And I can certainly understand the  
critics with the notable immaturity of the themes and execution of the  
film.  I'd be pretty joyless too if for instance the next Hobbit film  
was to be directed by someone other than Peter Jackson and were to  
disregard the whole trilogy before it, especially if nothing  
noteworthy of creative value were added to such a film to make up for  
that fact.

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