Re: Armond White

I cannot imagine they would bring her in (selena) and not use her as catwoman.
 
Bane was just a sidekick in the Burton movie, interesting he is a major player
now.
 
 
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She hasn't been - she's slated to play Selena Kyle. I presumed she's going to
eventually become Catwoman, but she could just be Bruce Wayne's love interest
and not show up as Catwoman at all. Nolan has a track record of introducing
familiar names before they become their sinister altar-egos and this could
continue that trend. 

Coleman Reese before he becomes The RIddler - Mr. Reese (similar to E. Nigma,
both ways of suggesting mysteries):
http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Coleman_Reese

William Fitchner played the Bank manager in TDK. I thought he was being set up
to be The Penguin. 
http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Bank_manager
With the manager's shotgun then unloaded, the Joker sprang up and shot him.
Shortly before the Joker left, the Manager chastised him about how he lacked
honor, even by criminal standards, and questioned him what he believed in. The
Joker then shoved a canister into the manager's mouth, and revealed his true
identity, stating "I believe whatever doesn't kill you simply makes you -
stranger". As the Joker drove off with the money and the manager's shotgun, a
string attached to the Joker yanked the safety pin out of the canister in the
manager's mouth. Instead of exploding, it released fumes of an unknown nature.
The manager groaned as his head sagged.

Watching that scene, I could swear he utters the Penguin's singular sound when
he first addresses the crooks.

I know I'm missing at least one more. I think there were perhaps numerous
others, but those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. It's
entirely possible Selena Kyle would only be introduced as a pre-Catwoman love
interest for Bruce Wayne.

Johne Cook
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On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Karl <[email protected]> wrote:
I would have to think about it.  I think Carey could have but he was tainted by
his Riddler role in the earlier movies.  I am sure more than just a short few
could have, but that is a silly effort really, the role is so iconic now that no
one would pass muster.
 
And I really disagree at least somewhat, Iam not convinced that the role would
have been Oscar worthy without his death.
 
The thing is that Nicholson had to play a straight villain first, then
transition to the role via the accident, whereas Ledger had the transmuted role
from the start.  Nicholson had in my opinion a harder part on some ways.  And
yea, he was Nicholson, that’s hard to get past.  But he really played the part
well.
 
The two roles are different enough and the overall movies different enough that
comparisons are tough.
 
So what is your take on Hathaway being tagged for catwomen in the next one?
 
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Holy moly. I thought Ledger's take was much deeper, much more interesting.
Nicholson was chewing scenery, and I never could get past it was Jack Nicholson.
Ledger vanished into the role and made The Joker a multi-faceted, complex
character. How much of that was the script, how much was the direction, how much
was Ledger himself? Let's put it this way - name another actor you think who
could have plugged into that same role and have had the same impact. Imo, it
would be a very short list. Ledger, in my mind, eclipsed the part and really
became the character. Setting aside his tragic death after the film wrapped but
before it hit theaters, I think he would have won his Oscar for that role in
that picture regardless of the competition.

Johne Cook
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On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Karl <[email protected]> wrote:
Yes, that freaking rasp just drives me nutty.
 
I dunno, my relationship with batman is forever tainted, I think, by my early
indoctrination to the tv series and to the cartoons.
 
:-)
 
But the mid movies were also interesting.  Ledgers joker was certainly well
played, but nowhere as menacing to me as Nicholson.
 
I dunno, they all spin in such different directions, it is hard to say what I
favor.
 
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Of Mike Findlay
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:50 PM

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No problem but thanks.
 
One of the things that got pointed out to me about Bale's performance was the
ridiculous raspy voice.  I can watch the movie now without fixating on that.  He
used the same voice in the last Terminator movie, (which was unfairly underrated
IMO).  
 
I still like the Dark Knight though, but I thought Batman Begins was overall a
better movie.  
 
Mike F. 
 
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From: Karl <[email protected]>
To: DADL (off topic) <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 3:42:43 PM
Subject: Re: [DADL-OT] Armond White
Sorry if you thought that directed to you.
 
Honestly I directed that more to the overboard swooning I saw immediately after
his death and such.
 
It was well played, but yea, it was over the top, though I thought Bale’s
performance was more so.
 
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Of Mike Findlay
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:20 PM
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I didn't say it was a difficult performance, I've always maintained that acting
crazed is among the easiest acting tasks there are.  But I still think it was a
wonderful performance, even if over the top.  It was cool to watch someone
having an absolute blast sinking their teeth into that role.  
 
And I'm not swooning over it because of his death.
 
Mike F.   
 
  _____  

From: Karl <[email protected]>
To: DADL (off topic) <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 3:12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [DADL-OT] Armond White
Ok I guess I am in a different place on the Dark Knight.
 
I thought Ledger was ok, but personally I think it was just his death that makes
people swoon over it.
 
It wasn’t that dark or profound at all, I have seen many other actors play
similar roles equally well.
 
In the end I was glad I watched the dark knight, but frankly I still think it
and batman begins are overrated.
 
 
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Of Mike Findlay
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:09 PM
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I liked The Dark Knight but I've also heard enough critcism of it to come to
terms that without Heath Ledger's Joker the film wouldn't be much above average.
That being said I don't thihnk I agree with White, (haven't read the full review
yet), but you have to admit he has a point with this: .
 
 
."...because it <The Dark Knight> doesn’t require viewers to feel those
discredited virtues, “hope” and “faith.” Like Hellboy II, this kind of sci-fi or
horror or comics-whatever obviates morality. It trashes belief systems and
encourages childish fantasies of absurd macho potency and fabulous
grotesqueries. "
 
 
But I'm with you on Black Dahlia.  I don't think it is comparable at all to The
Dark Knight and to bring it up as such pokes big holes in any critique of The
Dark Knight.  And it was at best a mildly entertaining, yet completely
forgetable movie.
 
Mike F. 

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