Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Wow... My first time defending someone...

That's a completely different statement.  Saying that changes to the 1949 lines 
must be mutually agreed to is directed a the Palestinians - IOW they must accede 
to them in order to have peace with Israel.  The 1967 borders are indefensible, 
the Arabs proved that by invading them.  Practically speaking demanding Israel 
go back to them is tantamount to declaring open season on Israel - which if you 
believe what the Palestinians, Iranians, etc. have said, does result in genocide 
for Israelis.

I think Netanyahu's response should be to tell us that they'll consider going 
back to the 1967 borders when we give back Mexico or all the land west of the 
Mississippi.  They have far more justification for keeping their borders than we 
do for keeping our.


Mike F.




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From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Fri, May 20, 2011 12:42:43 AM
Subject: [DADL-OT] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Wow... My first time defending someone...

... My first time defending someone...

Apparently for both sides.  And Yes...Bush did support this:
President George W. Bush adopted this same formula. In 2004 he gave
then-Prime Minister Ariel Sharon a letter saying that the United States
recognized that Israel would not return to the 1967 lines and that it
would annex large settlements near its borders. But Bush also declared
after a 2005 meeting with Abbas that U.S. policy was that “changes to
the 1949 armistice lines must be mutually agreed to.” Since the 1949
lines are the same as the 1967 lines, Bush was, like Obama, saying that
the old lines would be the starting point.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/obamas-mideast-peace-gaffe/2011/04/19/AFyl0R7G_blog.html


Thom
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-----Original Message-----
From: Karl Swenson <[email protected]>
To: 'DADL (off topic)' <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, May 20, 2011 12:07 am
Subject: Re: [DADL-OT] Fwd: Wow... My first time defending someone...

So....is this a policy flip?

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obama-speech-backlash-call-reinstate-1967-mid
east-borders/story?id=13639200

"Prime Minister Netanyahu expects to hear a reaffirmation from President
Obama of U.S. commitments made to Israel in 2004, which were
overwhelmingly
supported by both Houses of Congress," the office wrote on Twitter.
"Among
other things, those commitments relate to Israel not having to withdraw
to
the 1967 lines which are both indefensible and which would leave major
Israeli population centers in Judea and Samaria beyond those lines."


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 9:41 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [DADL-OT] Fwd: Wow... My first time defending someone...

Well, I asked exactly what was so terrible about Obama's
speech...noting it was similar to Bush and Clinton who both agreed that
the 1967 border with some exchanges was the best way to go.  Israel has
not disputed it either.  So what was so bad.  His response was to
ignore it.  So I asked for clarification about what was so terrible
about the speech.  No answer given-except to ask why I supported the
genocide of the Jews.  I pointed out that that was a cheap shot, unfair
(imagine if I countered a pro-lifer by simply saying "Why do you hate
women?") and said I was out of the discussion.  His response?  Good,
because I clearly had no idea what I was talking about (in spite of him
never enlightening me, merely making baseless accusations.  Then I
posted the same comment (naming no names) I posted here about my
surprise that the proper response to sincere questions being accused of
supporting Jewish Genocide.

His response? To call me an idiot and STILL not offer a defense of his
reasons.  Oh, and call me out for mis-spelling Israel.

It was just to much and his unwillingness to dialog thoughtfully, as we
have in the past made me decide it was time to axe him.

Thom
http://thomwade.wordpress.com/
http://www.cafepress.com/Thomwade
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-----Original Message-----
From: Johne Cook <[email protected]>
To: DADL (off topic) <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, May 19, 2011 10:13 pm
Subject: Re: [DADL-OT] Fwd: Wow... My first time defending someone...

Do tell! What provoked you to the Unfriending ban hammer? (Not that I
haven't considered it myself - I've hidden people's posts, which is like
Unfriending without the vitriol. If anything, it's worse, because the
hidden
person doesn't know their precious posts are hitting a hidden
forcefield and
dropping anonymously, silently into the soulless ether.

So, yeah - what's the story?  ; )

Johne Cook
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