Re: Marine killed in his own home

Unfortunately sometimes people act against their own safety.

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Mike Findlay
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 1:33 PM
To: DADL (off topic)
Subject: Re: [DADL-OT] Marine killed in his own home

Wow, that to me, is like blaming the rape victim for her "slutty attire".  

Mike F.  




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From: Paul Christian Glenn <[email protected]>
To: DADL (off topic) <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 3:20:53 PM
Subject: Re: [DADL-OT] Marine killed in his own home

I'm not excusing anyone, least of all the killers. I'm only pointing out a
fact, which us that this guy isn't dead because his home was raided. He's
dead because
*when* his home was raided, he responded by grabbing a shotgun.

Whether the raid was justified is irrelevant to the point I'm making, which
is that if he'd responded peacefully, he would be able to sue the police
himself, instead of his wife doing it in his memory.


On May 27, 2011, at 3:13 PM, Johne Cook <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'd guess because he was a Marine, because there was a history of 
> break-ins in the area, and because he was a homeowner taking 
> responsibility for his family. But none of that is really the point. 
> What he does in his own home is kind of his business. The SWAT team is 
> responsible not to fire unless fired upon. (I've played through a 
> number of close quarters combat games, and they practice that very 
> thing over and over, and drill that into you that you can't just go 
> firing indiscriminately. The SWAT guys fucked up here, not the 
> homeowner, and now he's dead and they're excused because they 
> represent the government.)
> 
> Johne Cook
> | http://raygunrevival.com | http://authorculture.blogspot.com |*
> *
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Paul Christian Glenn
<[email protected]>wrote:
> 
>> Why was he holding a weapon? As you said, details matter.
>> 
>> 
>> On May 27, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Mike Findlay <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> 
>>> So holding a weapon is violence?  I can't tell you the number of 
>>> times I
>> have
>>> committed violence.  And I've gotten real nasty and even fired the
>> things.
>>> 
>>> Mike F.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Paul Christian Glenn <[email protected]>
>>> To: DADL (off topic) <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 2:51:55 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [DADL-OT] Marine killed in his own home
>>> 
>>> I'm adamantly against killing people, period. As I said, this guy 
>>> didn't
>> exactly
>>> deserve to die, but he chose violence when violence was visited upon 
>>> him,
>> and
>>> this is the result. Somebody was in the right, somebody was in the 
>>> wrong, accusations will fly furiously, lives will be devastated -- 
>>> and in the
>> end it's
>>> one more guy who died with a weapon in his hands. One more tragic 
>>> symptom
>> of a
>>> society addicted to violence.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 27, 2011, at 2:43 PM, Mike Findlay <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> And a sheep to acquiesce to govt. intrusion, control and execution, 
>>>> (I
>> thought
>>> 
>>>> Paul was adamantly against the death penalty), so blithely.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Mike F.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Bruce Geerdes <[email protected]>
>>>> To: DADL (off topic) <[email protected]>
>>>> Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 2:41:07 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [DADL-OT] Marine killed in his own home
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Paul Christian Glenn <
>> [email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> If you're calling me a sheep, I'd ask why I'm a sheep for 
>>>>> subscribing
>> to a
>>>>> different ideology than yours. You're just following someone 
>>>>> else's
>> lead,
>>> sir.
>>>> 
>>>> I think Mike was going more for a "sheep to the slaughter" allusion.
>>>> 
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