Re: Marine killed in his own home

You don't see the analogy, even if it isn't perfect?

Abortion is a legal activity that a substantial number of people think is 
morally wrong.  Owning and holding a gun in your own home is a legal activity 
which you apparently thing is morally wrong.  Since you aren't surprised when 
someone holding a gun is killed I'm wondering whether you are surprised when an 
abortionist is killed?  


Mike F.  




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From: Paul Christian Glenn <[email protected]>
To: DADL (off topic) <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 4:11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [DADL-OT] Marine killed in his own home

I'm not sure how this relates to the current discussion, but since 
abortion-doctor killers have popped up in the past, I don't know why we should 
be surprised when they pop up again.



On May 27, 2011, at 4:01 PM, Mike Findlay <[email protected]> wrote:

> So Paul, should we, or should we not, be surprised when some plans to, or does 

> kill, an abortionist?
> 
> http://althouse.blogspot.com/2011/05/lang-told-madison-police-officer-at.html
> 
> Mike F.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Christian Glenn <[email protected]>
> To: DADL (off topic) <[email protected]>
> Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 3:48:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [DADL-OT] Marine killed in his own home
> 
> But you know what? If the rape victim put on revealing clothes and walked 
> through the back alleys of a bad neighborhood at night, she was not acting in 
> her own best interest. In no way does this excuse rape (just as I don't excuse 

> the police in this situation), but it *does* make the rape unsurprising.
> 
> I understand that everyone wants to blame someone when this stuff happens, but 
>I 
>
> want it to be clear that I'm not blaming or excusing anyone. I'm only pointing 

> out that when you live by the sword, you're likely to die by the sword. That's 

> not a judgement, it's just a fact, and one that our culture can't seem to 
>figure 
>
> out, for whatever reason.
> 
> 
> 
> On May 27, 2011, at 3:32 PM, Mike Findlay <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> Wow, that to me, is like blaming the rape victim for her "slutty attire".  
>> 
>> Mike F.  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Paul Christian Glenn <[email protected]>
>> To: DADL (off topic) <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 3:20:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DADL-OT] Marine killed in his own home
>> 
>> I'm not excusing anyone, least of all the killers. I'm only pointing out a 
>> fact, 
>> 
>> which us that this guy isn't dead because his home was raided. He's dead 
>> because 
>> 
>> *when* his home was raided, he responded by grabbing a shotgun.
>> 
>> Whether the raid was justified is irrelevant to the point I'm making, which is 
>
> 
>> that if he'd responded peacefully, he would be able to sue the police himself, 
>
> 
>> instead of his wife doing it in his memory.
>> 
>> 
>> On May 27, 2011, at 3:13 PM, Johne Cook <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'd guess because he was a Marine, because there was a history of break-ins
>>> in the area, and because he was a homeowner taking responsibility for his
>>> family. But none of that is really the point. What he does in his own home
>>> is kind of his business. The SWAT team is responsible not to fire unless
>>> fired upon. (I've played through a number of close quarters combat games,
>>> and they practice that very thing over and over, and drill that into you
>>> that you can't just go firing indiscriminately. The SWAT guys fucked up
>>> here, not the homeowner, and now he's dead and they're excused because they
>>> represent the government.)
>>> 
>>> Johne Cook
>>> | http://raygunrevival.com | http://authorculture.blogspot.com |*
>>> *
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Paul Christian Glenn 
>> <[email protected]>wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Why was he holding a weapon? As you said, details matter.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On May 27, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Mike Findlay <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> So holding a weapon is violence?  I can't tell you the number of times I
>>>> have
>>>>> committed violence.  And I've gotten real nasty and even fired the
>>>> things.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike F.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Paul Christian Glenn <[email protected]>
>>>>> To: DADL (off topic) <[email protected]>
>>>>> Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 2:51:55 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DADL-OT] Marine killed in his own home
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm adamantly against killing people, period. As I said, this guy didn't
>>>> exactly
>>>>> deserve to die, but he chose violence when violence was visited upon him,
>>>> and
>>>>> this is the result. Somebody was in the right, somebody was in the wrong,
>>>>> accusations will fly furiously, lives will be devastated -- and in the
>>>> end it's
>>>>> one more guy who died with a weapon in his hands. One more tragic symptom
>>>> of a
>>>>> society addicted to violence.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On May 27, 2011, at 2:43 PM, Mike Findlay <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> And a sheep to acquiesce to govt. intrusion, control and execution, (I
>>>> thought
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Paul was adamantly against the death penalty), so blithely.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mike F.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: Bruce Geerdes <[email protected]>
>>>>>> To: DADL (off topic) <[email protected]>
>>>>>> Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 2:41:07 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DADL-OT] Marine killed in his own home
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Paul Christian Glenn <
>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> If you're calling me a sheep, I'd ask why I'm a sheep for subscribing
>>>> to a
>>>>>>> different ideology than yours. You're just following someone else's
>>>> lead,
>>>>> sir.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think Mike was going more for a "sheep to the slaughter" allusion.
>>>>>> 
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