Re: Re: Does anyone have Reincarnation volume 1

Eric:

Thanks for explaining and (hopefully) settling the issue of what "copyright infringement" means and that it's illegal.

Steve
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: EJ2 - Double EJ Projects 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 9:19 PM
  Subject: [korgkarma] Re: Does anyone have Reincarnation volume 1


  Actually, yes you did! Here is the quote of your first post:

  "Hi,

  I have been listening to the Reincarnation demo's on the Korg web-site
  and some of the combi's are awesome!

  Does anyone have a copy they would like to sell? If so drop me an
  email on [email protected]

  Thanks,

  R."

  Your second paragraph specifically asks if anyone has "... a copy they
  would like to sell..." So, my "serving notice" is necessary if you
  think that you were not trying to obtain an "illegal" copy of
  Reincarnation. End of discussion.
  Eric

  --- In [email protected], "r_rich167" <r_rich167@...> wrote:
  >
  > Hi,
  > 
  > If you read my previous post(s) then you will see that I am not trying
  > to get hold of a pirate copy and have made no comments regarding the
  > support of pirating. Your "serving notice" is noted but not necessary.
  > 
  > I just asked the question and now know the answer. Although this may
  > have seemed a painful process I think that it has been worthwhile
  > because I am sure that most owners would not think of deleting all
  > banks other than A,B & E before selling (or lending) their Karma to
  > someone else.
  > 
  > R.
  > 
  > --- In [email protected], "EJ2 - Double EJ Projects"
  > <doubleejprojects@> wrote:
  > >
  > > Hi Rich,
  > > At the bottom of my Orders and Policy page the License is clearly
  > > specified to the left of the no refund policy.
  > > http://2ej2.tripod.com/id4.html
  > > 
  > > Obviously, the nature of software dictates that one shouldn't
  > > expect a refund. Anyone copying and redistributing the same will be
  > > liable to legal action and recovery of deemed loss. This is standard
  > > through out the computer software business. Yes, there are
  > > unscruplous "pirates". However, in this (Karma) community we really
  > > do take a serious offence to any suggestion of such piracy, resale, or
  > > redistribution, etc.... and that includes "giving" it away as part of
  > > a Karma sale. That's a "no no" and the seller and buyer are putting
  > > themselves into a position of liability and legal action to recover
  > > real and/or estimated damages.
  > > 
  > > Factory banks A, B, and E do not need to be erased. All other banks
  > > of PCGs, KGE (user GEs) etc. need to be cleared from memory.
  > > 
  > > As moderator of this yahoo group, I am serving notice that any post
  > > supporting or lending assistance to the resale, redistribution, or
  > > illegal transfer of any 3rd party collections - PCGs, KGEs, KDFs (for
  > > Karma Triton) will be deleted and the poster banned. There is no
  > > discussion in this matter - period. Sorry for the heavy hand, but
  > > this matter is our bread and butter livelihood.
  > > Cheers,
  > > Eric
  > > 
  > > --- In [email protected], "r_rich167" <r_rich167@> wrote:
  > > >
  > > > Hi,
  > > > 
  > > > Thanks for the response.
  > > > 
  > > > As you have a no refunds policy for software you should provide
  a link
  > > > to the license agreement so that people can make an informed
  decision.
  > > > I have found that it is included in the user guide but there should
  > > > be a clear link on the relevent pages.
  > > > 
  > > > I am sure that most people have the expectation that when they
  come to
  > > > sell their Korg Karma they will also include any Karma specific
  > > > software they had bought for it. According to your response this is
  > > > clearly not the case. In fact if you sell you Karma you will
  need to
  > > > make sure you delete the contents of banks C,D,E & the user GE area
  > > > otherwise you will breach the software license.
  > > > 
  > > > R.
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > > --- In [email protected], "karmalab140" <forms@> wrote:
  > > > >
  > > > > 
  > > > > > It is agreeable that "The license agreement does not allow
  anyone
  > > > to "sell
  > > > > > you a copy".". However, as I interpret it, the original version
  > > > could be
  > > > > > sold just like any other piece of software and there would
  be no
  > > > > > infringement.
  > > > > 
  > > > > In fact, many pieces of software do not allow for the sale or
  > > > transference of the license.
  > > > > And did you actually read the license? 
  > > > > 
  > > > > Here is the pertinent section:
  > > > > 
  > > > > ======================
  > > > > THINGS YOU MAY NOT DO
  > > > > 
  > > > > The Software and Documentation are protected by United States
  > > > copyright laws and 
  > > > > international treaties. You must treat the Software and
  > > > Documentation like any other 
  > > > > copyrighted material--for example a book. You may not:
  > > > > - copy the Documentation, other than for your own use,
  > > > > - copy the Software except to make archival or backup copies as
  > > > provided above,
  > > > > - reverse engineer, disassemble, decompile or make any attempt to
  > > > discover the source 
  > > > > code of the Software,
  > > > > - place the Software onto a server so that it is accessible via a
  > > > pubic network such as the 
  > > > > Internet,
  > > > > - sell, sublicense, rent, lease or lend any portion of the
  Software
  > > > or Documentation, or 
  > > > > modified versions of the Software and Documentation,
  > > > > - sell or transfer the rights provided to you hereunder to
  another
  > > > person, whether 
  > > > > through the use of services such as E-bay or any other means, or
  > > > > - create derivative works based on the Software.
  > > > > ======================
  > > > > 
  > > > > Seems pretty clear to me.
  > > > > 
  > > > > I'm not going to get into a big discussion about this, and the
  whole
  > > > issue of software 
  > > > > licenses, which some people love to argue about. I just wanted to
  > > > make people aware that 
  > > > > you can't sell a copy of Reincarnation/Chemistry according to the
  > > > license agreement. And 
  > > > > that if you want a copy of it, you should support the programming
  > > > efforts of the people 
  > > > > who developed it, and purchase a copy from them.
  > > > > 
  > > > > Best regards,
  > > > > Stephen Kay
  > > > > KARMA Developer
  > > > >
  > > >
  > >
  >



   

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