Re: Shuffling and unshuffling (was Re: ID3 tag question)

I'm opposed to full random (as opposed to shuffle).

I'm also opposed to reshuffling at the end of the playlist.

I'm in favor of adding "Shuffle Albums".

-dean

On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 08:22  AM, Dave Sherohman wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 06:06:45PM -0500, Rob Funk wrote:
>> Dave Sherohman wrote:
>>> 1)  It allows any arbitrary song to come up twice before all others
>>> have been played once.  (This is, of course, a matter of personal
>>> preference.  Me, I prefer the randomness.  I get the distinct
>>> impression that you prefer to have everything played with guaranteed
>>> even frequency.)
>>
>> I'm with Dean (or at least against Dave) on this -- I like
>> sequentially playing a random-ordered playlist much better than Dave's
>> fully-random selection method.
>
> Nope, we're not in opposition.  I'm asking for full-random as an
> option in addition to the current shuffle method, not as a
> replacement for it.
>
>> That's one thing I like so much better
>> about the Slimp3 over most consumer CD players -- the CD players use
>> Dave's method, so I end up hearing a few songs many times, while not
>> hearing other songs at all.  That gets tedious.
>
> The reason I use random play in the first place is so that I don't
> always hear the same songs in the same order.  As you say, "That gets
> tedious."
>
>>> Grab a copy of XMMS (or WinAmp, if that's the way you swing).  Create
>>> a playlist with 5 songs, ordered A, B, C, D, E.  Turn the "random"
>>> switch on.  Hit 'next' a few times.  Doing this just now, I got the
>>> play order E A C B D E B D A C B A.  Always random.
>>
>> I notice that in your example, nothing repeats until all have played
>> (EACBD EBDAC BA).... it looks to me like the "reshuffle at the end of
>> the playlist" method, rather than the total random selection method
>> you're advocating.
>
> Huh.  I hadn't noticed that...
>
> I did a bit more playing with XMMS and you are mostly correct.  The
> one detail that you missed (since it doesn't appear in my example) is
> that it also does a "reshuffle on startup".
>
> So, Dean, how about options for "reshuffle at end of playlist" and
> "reshuffle on startup", both defaulting to off?  (Although I can't
> quite work out how "reshuffle on startup" would best deal with synced
> players.  Probably by only reshuffling the playlist if it is not
> currently in use (i.e., playing on some device or stream), but it
> feels like there's a better way that I'm just not seeing.)
>
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