Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 0'00" is a joke...

it´s your vision and i respect... but don´t agree...

if 0`00``is a "part 2" of 4`33``... why should we do interpretations  
about what is not there?...
what is there is that the piece is zero seconds of duration...
if he wants to say absence of time measure he can put (thats the  
correct notation for that) a "O" !!! thats the sign for "no measure"  
used by all the contemporary composers...
but its your opinion ... and its a valid opinion like others... like  
mine...
best regards
vitor rua



On 25 Oct 2011, at 22:03, matteo pittoni wrote:

> As the partition talks about performing an action, and we try to  
> recall the devotion to rational thought always showed by John Cage,  
> I believe there is no reason to think that it should last zero  
> seconds.
>
> As for the reason of the title, maybe he used this to suggest the  
> absence of a time measure : thus, a temporal indeterminacy.
>
> In 4'33', there was a constraint on duration, but no constraint on  
> any action ; maybe 0'00'' is meant to constrain the action (which  
> must be disciplined) but not duration...
>
> Best regards,
>
> Matteo
>
>
> On 25 October 2011 22:38, David Badagnani <[email protected]>  
> wrote:
> Great discussion.  I can't think of any better use for this list!
>
> If 0'00" is not the duration of the piece, why is it entitled that?   
> From all this discussion, I'm still not sure I understand that.  Is  
> the lack of time in the title metaphorical?  And is there not at  
> least a hint of humor?  First came the white paintings, then the  
> silent piece of 4 minutes and 33 seconds' duration, then the very  
> loud piece of no duration...it simply seems to be taking an idea to  
> its logical extreme.
>
> -- 
> David Badagnani
> Kent, Ohio
> USA
>
> From: Matt Rogalsky <[email protected]>
> To: Vitor Rua <[email protected]>
> Cc: [email protected]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 4:09 PM
> Subject: [silence] Re: Re: Re: 0'00" is a joke...
>
> OK, you pulled me in to make one more reply.
>
> On 2011-10-25, at 4:01 PM, Vitor Rua wrote:
>
> > oh pleaseeeeeee... not even einstein will think that this  
> composition must be performed... unless they perform on a warm whole  
> or something...theres no DURATION !!!!!
>
> The title of this piece is not its duration. The score instructions  
> make that clear.
>
> >> think of some of the more abstract Fluxus era compositions by La  
> Monte Young and others, for instance, which really are not really  
> performable in a concert hall sense).
> >
> > I have performed almost all the pieces
>
> But not all.. because some cannot be performed in a concert-hall  
> sense.
> Such as: "This piece is little whirlpools in the middle of the  
> ocean" (that's from memory, please forgive if I am paraphrasing)
>
> OK, bye! That's the end of my contribution to this discussion!
>
> in friendship,
> Matt R
>
>