Re: question re: The automatic minimum (see above) is two.
AHF <[email protected]> Mon, 23 Apr 2018 16:21:16 +0000
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--Apple-Mail=_20E4DBC5-BC44-4C49-9747-E758006AF22B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I=E2=80=99m with Bill: In paragraph two of the same text:=20 =E2=80=9C...one enters an anechoic chamber, as silent as technologically = possible in 1951, to discover that one hears two sounds of one=E2=80=99s = own unintentional making (nerves systematic operation, blood=E2=80=99s = circulation)=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D (Bold text added) This is the =E2=80=9Csee above=E2=80=9D reference. The =E2=80=9Cunintentio= nal making=E2=80=9D must be the =E2=80=9Cautomatic=E2=80=9D, and the = =E2=80=9Cminimum (see above) is two=E2=80=9D is pretty obvious. =E2=80=94 As an aside, I find the phrasing somewhat similar to Bucky Fuller=E2=80=99= s definition: =E2=80=9CUniverse is complex and at minimum two=E2=80=9D. I can=E2=80=99t claim through research, or even dates, that there was = influence in either direction. But I like the shared wording and ideas. = Makes me happy. Andrew > On Apr 23, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Brooks, William F = <[email protected]> wrote: >=20 > I=E2=80=99d suggest it=E2=80=99s much simpler: Cage earlier (p. 13) = relates his anechoic chamber experience, in which he heard two sounds, = one high and one low, in what was supposed to be a totally silent = environment.=20 >=20 > The sounds were generated by his body, he says. Thus, =E2=80=9Cgetting = up in the morning and discovering oneself musician=E2=80=9D, the = absolute minimum number of sounds one will encounter is two; it=E2=80=99s = not possible to hear fewer. =20 >=20 > Bill=20 >=20 >> On Apr 23, 2018, at 08:57, Rod Stasick <[email protected]> wrote: >>=20 >> My interpretation is pretty close to what David has said. >> The =E2=80=9Ctwo=E2=80=9D would be the event itself and one=E2=80=99s = response=20 >> to the event - their reciprocal relationship.=20 >> The =E2=80=9Ctree falls in the forest=E2=80=9D conundrum that = doesn=E2=80=99t need to be one. >>=20 >> best to all, >>=20 >> Rod >>=20 >>=20 >> ************* >> Now Playing: >>=20 >> Abbie Hoffman - Chicago >>=20 >> from: >>=20 >> Wake Up, America! >> =E2=80=8C >> Random Radio for Radio Marfa: >> http://172.125.0.188:8000/listen.m3u >>=20 >> Last.FM: >> https://www.last.fm/user/rostasi2 >>=20 >> Mixcloud: >> https://www.mixcloud.com/rostasi/ >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_20E4DBC5-BC44-4C49-9747-E758006AF22B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I=E2=80= =99m with Bill:<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">In = paragraph two of the same text: </div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">=E2=80=9C...one enters an anechoic = chamber, as silent as technologically possible in 1951, to discover that one hears <b class=3D"">two sounds of one=E2=80=99s own = unintentional making</b> (nerves systematic operation, blood=E2=80=99s circulation)=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">(Bold text added)</div><div = class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">This is the =E2=80=9Csee = above=E2=80=9D reference. The =E2=80=9Cunintentional making=E2=80=9D = must be the =E2=80=9Cautomatic=E2=80=9D, and the =E2=80=9Cminimum (see = above) is two=E2=80=9D is pretty obvious.</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">=E2=80=94</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">As an aside, I find the phrasing = somewhat similar to Bucky Fuller=E2=80=99s definition: =E2=80=9CUniverse = is complex and at minimum two=E2=80=9D.</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I can=E2=80=99t claim through research, = or even dates, that there was influence in either direction. But I like = the shared wording and ideas. Makes me happy.</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Andrew</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div = class=3D"">On Apr 23, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Brooks, William F <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">I=E2=80= =99d suggest it=E2=80=99s much simpler: Cage earlier (p. 13) relates his = anechoic chamber experience, in which he heard two sounds, one high and = one low, in what was supposed to be a totally silent environment. <br = class=3D""><br class=3D"">The sounds were generated by his body, he = says. Thus, =E2=80=9Cgetting up in the morning and discovering oneself = musician=E2=80=9D, the absolute minimum number of sounds one will = encounter is two; it=E2=80=99s not possible to hear fewer. <br = class=3D""><br class=3D"">Bill <br class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote = type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On Apr 23, 2018, at 08:57, Rod Stasick <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> = wrote:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">My interpretation is pretty close to = what David has said.<br class=3D"">The =E2=80=9Ctwo=E2=80=9D would be = the event itself and one=E2=80=99s response <br class=3D"">to the event = - their reciprocal relationship. <br class=3D"">The =E2=80=9Ctree falls = in the forest=E2=80=9D conundrum that doesn=E2=80=99t need to be one.<br = class=3D""><br class=3D"">best to all,<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Rod<br= class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">*************<br class=3D"">Now = Playing:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Abbie Hoffman - Chicago<br = class=3D""><br class=3D"">from:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Wake Up, = America!<br class=3D"">=E2=80=8C<br class=3D"">Random Radio for Radio = Marfa:<br class=3D""><a href=3D"http://172.125.0.188:8000/listen.m3u" = class=3D"">http://172.125.0.188:8000/listen.m3u</a><br class=3D""><br = class=3D"">Last.FM:<br class=3D"">https://www.last.fm/user/rostasi2<br = class=3D""><br class=3D"">Mixcloud:<br = class=3D"">https://www.mixcloud.com/rostasi/<br class=3D""><br = class=3D""></blockquote><br class=3D""></div></div></blockquote></div><br = class=3D""></div></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_20E4DBC5-BC44-4C49-9747-E758006AF22B--