Re: question re: The automatic minimum (see above) is two.

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I think Bill is right=E2=80=94I need to re-read the essay, and may do this =
week.

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 12:21 PM, AHF <[email protected]> wrote:

> I=E2=80=99m with Bill:
>
> In paragraph two of the same text:
>
> =E2=80=9C...one enters an anechoic chamber, as silent as technologically =
possible
> in 1951, to discover that one hears *two sounds of one=E2=80=99s own
> unintentional making* (nerves systematic operation, blood=E2=80=99s circu=
lation)=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D
>
> (Bold text added)
>
> This is the =E2=80=9Csee above=E2=80=9D reference. The =E2=80=9Cunintenti=
onal making=E2=80=9D must be the
> =E2=80=9Cautomatic=E2=80=9D, and the =E2=80=9Cminimum (see above) is two=
=E2=80=9D is pretty obvious.
>
> =E2=80=94
>
> As an aside, I find the phrasing somewhat similar to Bucky Fuller=E2=80=
=99s
> definition: =E2=80=9CUniverse is complex and at minimum two=E2=80=9D.
>
> I can=E2=80=99t claim through research, or even dates, that there was inf=
luence in
> either direction. But I like the shared wording and ideas. Makes me happy=
.
>
> Andrew
>
>
> On Apr 23, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Brooks, William F <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> I=E2=80=99d suggest it=E2=80=99s much simpler: Cage earlier (p. 13) relat=
es his anechoic
> chamber experience, in which he heard two sounds, one high and one low, i=
n
> what was supposed to be a totally silent environment.
>
> The sounds were generated by his body, he says. Thus, =E2=80=9Cgetting up=
 in the
> morning and discovering oneself musician=E2=80=9D, the absolute minimum n=
umber of
> sounds one will encounter is two; it=E2=80=99s not possible to hear fewer=
.
>
> Bill
>
> On Apr 23, 2018, at 08:57, Rod Stasick <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> My interpretation is pretty close to what David has said.
> The =E2=80=9Ctwo=E2=80=9D would be the event itself and one=E2=80=99s res=
ponse
> to the event - their reciprocal relationship.
> The =E2=80=9Ctree falls in the forest=E2=80=9D conundrum that doesn=E2=80=
=99t need to be one.
>
> best to all,
>
> Rod
>
>
> *************
> Now Playing:
>
> Abbie Hoffman - Chicago
>
> from:
>
> Wake Up, America!
> =E2=80=8C
> Random Radio for Radio Marfa:
> http://172.125.0.188:8000/listen.m3u
>
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> Mixcloud:
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>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I think Bill is right=E2=80=94I need to re-read the essay,=
 and may do this week.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote">On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 12:21 PM, AHF <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">culver@anarchic=
harmony.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div st=
yle=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">I=E2=80=99m with =
Bill:<div><br></div><div>In paragraph two of the same text:=C2=A0</div><div=
><br></div><div>=E2=80=9C...one enters an anechoic chamber, as silent as te=
chnologically possible in 1951,
to discover that one hears <b>two sounds of one=E2=80=99s own unintentional=
 making</b> (nerves systematic operation,
blood=E2=80=99s circulation)=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D</div><div><br></div><div>(Bo=
ld text added)</div><div><br></div><div>This is the =E2=80=9Csee above=E2=
=80=9D reference. The =E2=80=9Cunintentional making=E2=80=9D must be the =
=E2=80=9Cautomatic=E2=80=9D, and the =E2=80=9Cminimum (see above) is two=E2=
=80=9D is pretty obvious.</div><div><br></div><div>=E2=80=94</div><div><br>=
</div><div>As an aside, I find the phrasing somewhat similar to Bucky Fulle=
r=E2=80=99s definition: =E2=80=9CUniverse is complex and at minimum two=E2=
=80=9D.</div><div><br></div><div>I can=E2=80=99t claim through research, or=
 even dates, that there was influence in either direction. But I like the s=
hared wording and ideas. Makes me happy.</div><div><br></div><div>Andrew</d=
iv><div><div class=3D"h5"><div><br><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>=
On Apr 23, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Brooks, William F &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:w-bro=
[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:</d=
iv><br class=3D"m_-7713211387659575296Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div>=
I=E2=80=99d suggest it=E2=80=99s much simpler: Cage earlier (p. 13) relates=
 his anechoic chamber experience, in which he heard two sounds, one high an=
d one low, in what was supposed to be a totally silent environment. <br><br=
>The sounds were generated by his body, he says. Thus, =E2=80=9Cgetting up =
in the morning and discovering oneself musician=E2=80=9D, the absolute mini=
mum number of sounds one will encounter is two; it=E2=80=99s not possible t=
o hear fewer. =C2=A0<br><br>Bill <br><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Apr 2=
3, 2018, at 08:57, Rod Stasick &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" targe=
t=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br>My interpretation is pre=
tty close to what David has said.<br>The =E2=80=9Ctwo=E2=80=9D would be the=
 event itself and one=E2=80=99s response <br>to the event - their reciproca=
l relationship. <br>The =E2=80=9Ctree falls in the forest=E2=80=9D conundru=
m that doesn=E2=80=99t need to be one.<br><br>best to all,<br><br>Rod<br><b=
r><br>*************<br>Now Playing:<br><br>Abbie Hoffman - Chicago<br><br>f=
rom:<br><br>Wake Up, America!<br>=E2=80=8C<br>Random Radio for Radio Marfa:=
<br><a href=3D"http://172.125.0.188:8000/listen.m3u" target=3D"_blank">http=
://172.125.0.188:8000/<wbr>listen.m3u</a><br><br>Last.FM:<br><a href=3D"htt=
ps://www.last.fm/user/rostasi2" target=3D"_blank">https://www.last.fm/user/=
<wbr>rostasi2</a><br><br>Mixcloud:<br><a href=3D"https://www.mixcloud.com/r=
ostasi/" target=3D"_blank">https://www.mixcloud.com/<wbr>rostasi/</a><br><b=
r></blockquote><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></d=
iv></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Rob Haskins, D.M.A., Ph.D.<br>Pr=
ofessor=C2=A0of Music</div><div dir=3D"ltr">College of Liberal Arts<br>Univ=
ersity of New Hampshire<br>M-105, Paul Creative Arts Center<br>30 Academic =
Way<br>Durham, NH 03824<br>603-862-3987 (office)<br>603-862-3155 (fax)<br>&=
lt;<a href=3D"http://unh.edu/music/" target=3D"_blank">http://unh.edu/music=
/</a>&gt;<br>&lt;<a href=3D"http://robhaskins.net" target=3D"_blank">http:/=
/robhaskins.net</a>&gt;</div></div></div></div></div></div>
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