Re: iChat vs Bonjour was Introducing the Fire Wiki

That is a much more succinct description than I could have made ;)  =20
And my Appletalk suggestion was more off the cuff than true to =20
protocol form ;)

On Jul 14, 2005, at 18:37:41, Mark Rowe wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have a few clarifications about the Bonjour vs Rendezvous vs =20
> iChat confusion.  The frustrating part of this matter is that the =20
> confusion is due to Apple branding two technologies with the same =20
> name:  a low-level network service, and a higher level service that =20=

> uses the low-level service as a minor part of its functionality.
>
> 1) Bonjour and Rendezvous are two names for the same thing.  They =20
> allow your computer to discover other computers on the local =20
> network without requiring a central server.  They don't relate to =20
> instant messaging at all, though Apple has chosen to refer to =20
> iChat's local chat support simply as 'Bonjour' rather than the more =20=

> accurate 'local chat service that uses Bonjour for buddy discovery'.
>
> 2) Apple's iChat instant messaging client supports several services =20=

> in the most recent version:  AIM, Jabber, and Bonjour.  Previous =20
> versions supported AIM and Bonjour.  Because iChat supports more =20
> than one protocol it would be unclear to say that Fire supports =20
> 'iChat' when referring to the fact that we can interoperate with =20
> iChat's Bonjour chat service.
>
> 3) Bonjour is in not reall like AppleTalk at all.  In the context =20
> of 'Bonjour the network technology' it provides two things:  =20
> automatic IP address assignment, and automatic discovery of network =20=

> services.  This is similar to the AppleTalk Address Resolution =20
> Protocol, but is where the similarities end.  AppleTalk is more =20
> comparable to the TCP/IP network suite.  In the context of 'Bonjour =20=

> the chat service' Bonjour provides automatic discovery of buddies, =20
> instant messaging, and file transfers.
>
> I hope this clears things up :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark Rowe
> <http://bdash.net.nz/>
>
>
> On 15/07/2005, at 10:15 , Allyn J. Crowe wrote:
>
>
>> Bonjour is a local networking protocol.  It replaced the name of =20
>> rendevous (due to name infringement if I remember correctly)
>>
>> You can chat, share files, etc.  Its kinda like appletalk.
>>
>> --=20
>> Allyn Crowe
>> Network Engineering
>> Information and Communications Technology Division
>> Eastern Michigan University
>> V: 734.487.2374
>> F: 734.481.9290
>>
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2005, at 5:47 PM, Sven AERTS wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 14 Jul 2005, at 16:42, Paul Vittorino wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jul 14, 2005, at 7:51 AM, Sven AERTS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Say, a question: I see that you mention:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Fire can handle similtaneous connections to AIM=AE, ICQ=AE, =
Yahoo!=20
>>>>> =AE, IRC, MSN=AE, Jabber and Bonjour (aka Apple Rendezvous)."
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you use "Bonjour" iso iChat ? Will you run into trouble =20
>>>>> with Apple if you use the word iChat?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I would guess the reason is that since iChat is both an AIM =20
>>>> client and a Bonjour client, it's pretty clear that since Fire =20
>>>> supports AIM that you can talk to other buddies using iChat. But =20=

>>>> by explicitly saying Bonjour, you state that Fire support the =20
>>>> impromptu IM via Bonjour that iChat supports. To any of the =20
>>>> devs, please correct me if I have misspoken.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> is Bonjour a chat client ?! Good luck if you want to find that in =20=

>>> google. Do you have an url?
>>> Is it any good or popular in the french speaking community?
>>> Or is Bonjour maybe the french version of iChat or Rendez-vous?
>>>
>>> Sven- living in a bilingual capital .. which makes me wonder =20
>>> sometimes... Brussels
>>>
>>>
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