Re: Add frost page to Freenet Default Bookmarks

Hi,

Am 08.04.2010 17:42, schrieb Evan Daniel:
> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Matthew Toseland
> <toad-EI5O+8PHWbJeeLb3ft/[email protected]>  wrote:
>> On Tuesday 06 April 2010 18:17:33 artur wrote:
...
>>
>> On the other hand, Frost is broken by design, Freetalk will be integrated in the node soon (how soon nobody knows), and if we put it back on the homepage the spammer may come out of the woodwork.
>>
>> Anyone else have an opinion?

Ok, Frost is spamable (like nearly every other communication system in 
the internet). So, I would not call this "broken by design", but I know 
which problems the spammer caused for frost.

>
> I think if we link to it, we should support it, at least to a point.
> I'd rather we weren't.  But, we seem to be doing that regardless,
> so...  OTOH, I think we should have a messaging system of some sort,
> and that isn't yet Freetalk.  And I don't know whether it's better to
> link to a messaging system that's so spammed it's unusable, or link to
> nothing.

Do you support Freemail? Freesite? FMS?
Are you in one way or another connected to the content published on the 
various index pages, linked in the default bookmarks?
I think the freenet authors do not want to associate them self with what 
is on that pages. The way a search engine does not account them self 
responsible for their search results...


Frost is a good tool for Freenet. Without Frost, Freenet would have had 
a lot of less active users, an so it would have today.
It has been the main communication tool within Freenet for years.

Today there is a strong alternative with FMS, but I could argue that FMS 
is brogen by design as well. When Freenet is all about anti censorship, 
FMS is the tool to bring it back. I don't want to say it is bad, but it 
has its own disadvantages.

Frost is also a download manager. Fuqid might do a better job as a stand 
alone tool, but it is not cross platform, has never been really Freenet 
0.7 compatible and its development has been abandoned.
(Just in comparison: Frost has had 17 Commits last month.)
And a good download tool is wanted by the community (1)


Freetalk: Frost will also work as a Freetalk frontend. So, introducing 
the more spam resistent freetalk will not make Frost obsolete. The 
integration is not yet complete, but the basics have already been 
implemented...

(1) 
http://freenet.uservoice.com/forums/8861-general/suggestions/156393-write-a-killer-file-sharing-application?ref=title


Cheers

artur

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