Re: Re: [Tech] Crazy idea: How trust in darknets enables secure democratic censorship

On Wed, Jul 13, 2005 at 08:21:10AM +0200, Tarapia Tapioco wrote:
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> On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:59:13 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> > On 7/12/05, Matthew Toseland <toad-EI5O+8PHWbJeeLb3ft/[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > /me renames Freenet PornNet. ;)
> > >=20
> > > I have friends who rsync their porn. But I can see your point. Is this
> > > an issue only for porn? What class of material is subject to this
> > > consideration? Personally I avoid material that could be used to
> > > blackmail me, traceable or not.
> >
> > And I have friends who watch porn in coed groups.  I think they're
> > weird, but then they probably say the same about my ex-poultry :)
> >
> > Other classes of material: anything that could be seen as incitement
> > to revolt probably counts.  The difference between rebels that history
> > approves of vs condemns appears to be decided after the fact.  Having
> > Freenet be relevant to revolutions would be damaged by this, right?=20
> > And it seems entirely reasonable for me to want to anonymize my
> > revolutionary plots by mixing them up with other people's searches for
> > deceased fowls.
> >
> > Writings about drug use also come to mind, though these seem to be
> > relatively accepted on the public internet.  That probably isn't as
> > true in, say, much of Asia, though.
> >
> > >=20
> > > Your privacy against local nodes is only an issue if your content is
> > > voted down.
> >
> > If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear.
> 
> The problem with THAT kind of thinking is that over the course 
> of history, it has gotten a lot of people needlessly killed.  
> Don't forget the perfectly well meaning people who thought they 
> were being "Good German Citizens" by turning in Jews and those 
> who sympathized with and helped them.

The poster was criticising me. He didn't mean what you seem to be
reacting to.
> 
> PLEASE!  Keep Freenet Anonymous!
> 
> Keep Freenet FREE!
> 
> Keep Freenet UN-detectable and UN-Traceable

Right now freenet is detectable. It's not especially traceable though.
> 
> Perhaps next time it won't be Jews, maybe it will be some 
> perfectly reasonable person who just happens to have a 
> "Politically Incorrect" opinion, politics or religion.
> 
> Mark my words, someday there WILL be another Dachau!  The 
> question is, Will we sit by and be 'Good German Citizens', or 
> will we act in some way to help whoever's lined up at the ovens 
> next time?  The ghost of Bergen Belsen looms on the horizon and 
> the blood of ten million Russian citizens almost all innocent 
> bystanders waits to see how we will handle OUR turn.
> 
> May we Honor their sacrifice.

How does this relate to my suggestion?
-- 
Matthew J Toseland - toad-EI5O+8PHWbJeeLb3ft/[email protected]
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