Re: [freenet-chat] Re: Crazy idea: How trust in darknets enables secure democratic censorship

On Wed, Jul 13, 2005 at 05:46:59PM +0100, Ian Clarke wrote:
> On 13 Jul 2005, at 17:14, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> >On Wed, Jul 13, 2005 at 04:27:31PM +0100, Ian Clarke wrote:
> >
> >>I'm not getting sucked into this, mainly because I share Matthew
> >>Exon's position on this and he is doing a pretty good job of
> >>defending it.  Censorship by majority is just as bad as censorship by
> >>your government, if not worse in many cases.
> >>
> >>Toad, if you lived in Iran just how far do you think you would get
> >>sharing information about Christianity if you could be censored by
> >>those around you?  Is that the kind of Freenet we want to create?  It
> >>certainly isn't the kind of Freenet I have been working towards for
> >>the last 6 or 7 years...
> >>
> >
> >Then go to another darknet.
> 
> The whole point of this is that there is only one darknet, a global  
> one where everyone is (indirectly) connected to everyone else, so  
> there is no "other" darknet.

Given other social networks, e.g. PGP WoT, it's likely there will be
fragmentary darknets. But certainly there will be one very big darknet
that a lot of nodes are on. I can see that there are network effects
that would make it helpful to have a single darknet.
> 
> >Anyway there are technical issues preventing this, namely the need to
> >keep records of inserts (which would obviously be very useful to
> >attackers who can bust nodes).
> 
> Good, although I would rather the discussion ended for the right  
> reason (ie. the idea is fundamentally contrary to Freenet's goals),  
> rather than a technicality.

It's a pretty fundamental technicality. As far as goals go - maybe. I'll
bounce you an interesting mail from Matt.
> 
> Ian.
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