Re: Newbie questions
Steve Dougherty <steve-kVTqj8yhOEv2eFz/[email protected]> Mon, 23 Jan 2017 14:20:51 +0000
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--===============2041955820== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c1255f08e32b30546c3b532 --94eb2c1255f08e32b30546c3b532 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The Tor comparison is easiest to answer because there's a FAQ entry: https://freenetproject.org/help.html#tor On Mon, Jan 23, 2017, 6:14 AM Amuza <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 22/01/17 19:01, Steve Dougherty wrote: > > On 01/22/2017 12:27 PM, Amuza wrote: > > Hello! > > I have never tried Freenet but I already have some questions: > > How do nodes discover each other? > > In opennet mode ("normal" or "low" network security) they connect to > seed nodes (a list of which is included with the software) run by > volunteers which provide them with an initial set of possible > connections, and during normal operation performs path folding to > maintain and improve its connections. [0] > > When not in opennet mode (and therefore in "darknet mode;" if both modes > are in use it's "hybrid") connections must be manually and mutually added. > > > Can nodes within a LAN connect to each other without any special > configuration? > > It depends on what you mean by special configuration. It does require > that the nodes' operators add one another as "friends" by trading node > references, but this is intended as routine configuration. > > > Do they need Internet access? > > No, but note that a completely isolated darknet would have no way to > access the content available through the public opennet network. This > includes updates to the software. As long as one member of the darknet > is also connected to opennet this will not be the case. (Though > performance will be slow.) > > > Would nodes keep automatically connecting when they are in a LAN where > some days there is no Internet access? > > Yes. > > > Does Freenet have any kind of real asynchronous messaging? > > Yes, and it depends what you mean. > > > I mean, something like this: > Alice is online and sends a message which has Caroline (her Freenet > friend) as the recipient, but Caroline is offline. Fortunately Barbara (who > is a common Freenet friend of both Alice and Caroline) is online. Then > Alice goes offline. Then Caroline goes online and receives Alice's message. > Barbara (or other common online Freenet friend) automatically forwarded the > message without being able to read it. > > If so, how does it work? > > Darknet peers can send direct messages by clicking on the peer's name on > the friends page. If the peers are not both online and connected the > message will be deferred until they are. The user interface for this is > very poor but it does function. > > Otherwise, messaging tools like FLIP, Freemail, or Sone can do that. > [1][2][3] They work by inserting and fetching the messages as files. > > > > I guess some of those three messaging tools do somehow the kind of > asynchronous messaging I meant. Do they? > > Thank you!! > > Yep. :) Hope this helps. > > - Steve > > > > It does! Great explanations! As soon as I have a while I will try Freenet. > > Let me ask another one, this one is more difficult: > > In the case you, or anyone in this list, know a bit about other > more-or-less similar decentralized tools like Retroshare, Zeronet, Tox, > IPFS, etc, could you very briefly compare them to Freenet and easily say > some advantage or disadvantage of some of those tools over Freenet? > > Thanks again. > > [0] https://wiki.freenetproject.org/Opennet > [1] > USK@pGQPA-9PcFiE3A2tCuCjacK165UaX07AQYw98iDQrNA,8gwQ67ytBNR03hNj7JU~ceeew22HVq6G50dcEeMcgks,AQACAAE/flip/12/ > [2] http://freesocial.draketo.de/freemail_en.html > [3] > USK@nwa8lHa271k2QvJ8aa0Ov7IHAV-DFOCFgmDt3X6BpCI,DuQSUZiI~agF8c-6tjsFFGuZ8eICrzWCILB60nT8KKo,AQACAAE/sone/75/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support mailing [email protected]://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request-RdDMkVZAZeuJnvDnx1genB2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org?subject=unsubscribe <support-request-RdDMkVZAZeuJnvDnx1genB2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > Support mailing list > [email protected] > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request-RdDMkVZAZeuJnvDnx1genB2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org?subject=unsubscribe --94eb2c1255f08e32b30546c3b532 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">The Tor comparison is easiest to answer because there'= s a FAQ entry: <a href=3D"https://freenetproject.org/help.html#tor">https:/= /freenetproject.org/help.html#tor</a><br> </div><span> </span><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Jan 23, 2017= , 6:14 AM Amuza <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a= >> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0= 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" id=3D"gmail_block_quot= e0"><div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" class=3D"gmail_msg"> <br class=3D"gmail_msg"> <br class=3D"gmail_msg"> <div class=3D"m_-5552922197228595122moz-cite-prefix gmail_msg">On 22/01= /17 19:01, Steve Dougherty wrote:<br class=3D"gmail_msg"> </div> <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"gmail_msg"> <pre class=3D"gmail_msg">On 01/22/2017 12:27 PM, Amuza wrote: </pre> <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"gmail_msg"> <pre class=3D"gmail_msg">Hello! I have never tried Freenet but I already have some questions: How do nodes discover each other? </pre> </blockquote> <pre class=3D"gmail_msg">In opennet mode ("normal" or "= ;low" network security) they connect to seed nodes (a list of which is included with the software) run by volunteers which provide them with an initial set of possible connections, and during normal operation performs path folding to maintain and improve its connections. [0] When not in opennet mode (and therefore in "darknet mode;" if bot= h modes are in use it's "hybrid") connections must be manually and mu= tually added. </pre> <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"gmail_msg"> <pre class=3D"gmail_msg">Can nodes within a LAN connect to each oth= er without any special configuration? </pre> </blockquote> <pre class=3D"gmail_msg">It depends on what you mean by special confi= guration. It does require that the nodes' operators add one another as "friends" by tra= ding node references, but this is intended as routine configuration. </pre> <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"gmail_msg"> <pre class=3D"gmail_msg">Do they need Internet access? </pre> </blockquote> <pre class=3D"gmail_msg">No, but note that a completely isolated dark= net would have no way to access the content available through the public opennet network. This includes updates to the software. As long as one member of the darknet is also connected to opennet this will not be the case. (Though performance will be slow.) </pre> <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"gmail_msg"> <pre class=3D"gmail_msg">Would nodes keep automatically connecting = when they are in a LAN where some days there is no Internet access? </pre> </blockquote> <pre class=3D"gmail_msg">Yes. </pre> <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"gmail_msg"> <pre class=3D"gmail_msg">Does Freenet have any kind of real asynchr= onous messaging? </pre> </blockquote> <pre class=3D"gmail_msg">Yes, and it depends what you mean.</pre> </blockquote> <br class=3D"gmail_msg"></div><div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"= class=3D"gmail_msg"> I mean, something like this:<br class=3D"gmail_msg"> Alice is online and sends a message which has Caroline (her Freenet friend) as the recipient, but Caroline is offline. Fortunately Barbara (who is a common Freenet friend of both Alice and Caroline) is online. Then Alice goes offline. Then Caroline goes online and receives Alice's message. Barbara (or other common online Freenet friend) automatically forwarded the message without being able to read it.</div><div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" class=3D"gmail_= msg"><br class=3D"gmail_msg"> <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"gmail_msg"> <pre class=3D"gmail_msg"></pre> <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"gmail_msg"> <pre class=3D"gmail_msg">If so, how does it work? </pre> </blockquote> <pre class=3D"gmail_msg">Darknet peers can send direct messages by cl= icking on the peer's name on the friends page. If the peers are not both online and connected the message will be deferred until they are. The user interface for this is very poor but it does function. Otherwise, messaging tools like FLIP, Freemail, or Sone can do that. [1][2][3] They work by inserting and fetching the messages as files. </pre> </blockquote> <br class=3D"gmail_msg"></div><div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"= class=3D"gmail_msg"> I guess some of those three messaging tools do somehow the kind of asynchronous messaging I meant. Do they?</div><div text=3D"#000000" bgc= olor=3D"#FFFFFF" class=3D"gmail_msg"><br class=3D"gmail_msg"> <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"gmail_msg"> <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"gmail_msg"> <pre class=3D"gmail_msg">Thank you!! </pre> </blockquote> <pre class=3D"gmail_msg">Yep. :) Hope this helps. - Steve </pre> </blockquote> <br class=3D"gmail_msg"> <br class=3D"gmail_msg"></div><div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"= class=3D"gmail_msg"> It does! Great explanations! As soon as I have a while I will try Freenet.<br class=3D"gmail_msg"> <br class=3D"gmail_msg"> Let me ask another one, this one is more difficult:<br class=3D"gmail_m= sg"> <br class=3D"gmail_msg"> In the case you, or anyone in this list, know a bit about other more-or-less similar decentralized tools like Retroshare, Zeronet, Tox, IPFS, etc, could you very briefly compare them to Freenet and easily say some advantage or disadvantage of some of those tools over Freenet?<br class=3D"gmail_msg"> <br class=3D"gmail_msg"> Thanks again.<br class=3D"gmail_msg"> <br class=3D"gmail_msg"> <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"gmail_msg"></blockquote></div><div t= ext=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" class=3D"gmail_msg"><blockquote type=3D= "cite" class=3D"gmail_msg"> <pre class=3D"gmail_msg">[0] <a class=3D"m_-5552922197228595122moz-tx= t-link-freetext gmail_msg" href=3D"https://wiki.freenetproject.org/Opennet"= target=3D"_blank">https://wiki.freenetproject.org/Opennet</a> [1] USK@pGQPA-9PcFiE3A2tCuCjacK165UaX07AQYw98iDQrNA,8gwQ67ytBNR03hNj7JU~ceeew22= HVq6G50dcEeMcgks,AQACAAE/flip/12/ [2] <a class=3D"m_-5552922197228595122moz-txt-link-freetext gmail_msg" href= =3D"http://freesocial.draketo.de/freemail_en.html" target=3D"_blank">http:/= /freesocial.draketo.de/freemail_en.html</a> [3] USK@nwa8lHa271k2QvJ8aa0Ov7IHAV-DFOCFgmDt3X6BpCI,DuQSUZiI~agF8c-6tjsFFGuZ8eI= CrzWCILB60nT8KKo,AQACAAE/sone/75/ </pre> <br class=3D"gmail_msg"> <fieldset class=3D"m_-5552922197228595122mimeAttachmentHeader gmail_m= sg"></fieldset> <br class=3D"gmail_msg"> <pre class=3D"gmail_msg">____________________________________________= ___ Support mailing list <a class=3D"m_-5552922197228595122moz-txt-link-abbreviated gmail_msg" href= =3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">Support@freenetpro= ject.org</a> <a class=3D"m_-5552922197228595122moz-txt-link-freetext gmail_msg" href=3D"= http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support" target=3D"_blank">http= ://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support</a> Unsubscribe at <a class=3D"m_-5552922197228595122moz-txt-link-freetext gmai= l_msg" href=3D"http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/suppo= rt" target=3D"_blank">http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinf= o/support</a> Or <a class=3D"m_-5552922197228595122moz-txt-link-freetext gmail_msg" href= =3D"mailto:support-request-RdDMkVZAZeuJnvDnx1genB2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org?subject=3Dunsubscribe" target= =3D"_blank">mailto:support-request-RdDMkVZAZeuJnvDnx1genB2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org?subject=3Dunsubscribe= </a></pre> </blockquote></div> _______________________________________________<br class=3D"gmail_msg"> Support mailing list<br class=3D"gmail_msg"> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" class=3D"gmail_msg" target=3D= "_blank">[email protected]</a><br class=3D"gmail_msg"> <a href=3D"http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support" rel=3D"nore= ferrer" class=3D"gmail_msg" target=3D"_blank">http://news.gmane.org/gmane.n= etwork.freenet.support</a><br class=3D"gmail_msg"> Unsubscribe at <a href=3D"http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/lis= tinfo/support" rel=3D"noreferrer" class=3D"gmail_msg" target=3D"_blank">htt= p://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support</a><br class=3D= "gmail_msg"> Or mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:support-request-RdDMkVZAZeuJnvDnx1genB2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org" class=3D"gm= ail_msg" target=3D"_blank">support-request-RdDMkVZAZeuJnvDnx1genB2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org</a>?subject= =3Dunsubscribe</blockquote></div> --94eb2c1255f08e32b30546c3b532-- --===============2041955820== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KU3VwcG9ydCBt YWlsaW5nIGxpc3QKU3VwcG9ydEBmcmVlbmV0cHJvamVjdC5vcmcKaHR0cDovL25ld3MuZ21hbmUu b3JnL2dtYW5lLm5ldHdvcmsuZnJlZW5ldC5zdXBwb3J0ClVuc3Vic2NyaWJlIGF0IGh0dHA6Ly9l bXUuZnJlZW5ldHByb2plY3Qub3JnL2NnaS1iaW4vbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9zdXBwb3J0Ck9y IG1haWx0bzpzdXBwb3J0LXJlcXVlc3RAZnJlZW5ldHByb2plY3Qub3JnP3N1YmplY3Q9dW5zdWJz Y3JpYmU= --===============2041955820==--