Re: excessive cruelty (was Re: News Flash: Link application received for vealchop.nj.us.blitzed.org)

Assuming you meant for this to go to the list...

On Thu, May 12, 2005 at 11:55:23AM +0100, Kevin Mulligan wrote:
> On 12 May 2005, at 09:49, Andy Smith wrote:
> 
> >On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 10:50:36PM +0100, Kevin Mulligan wrote:
> >>I object to the name of this server because veal production involves
> >>extreme and excessive cruelty to calves.
> >
> >All animal products involve excessive cruelty to animals since
> >animal products are for the most part easy to do without.
> 
> That's untrue.  If an animal dies of natural causes and its meat (an 
> animal product) is used, this is not excessively cruel.

Are there any animal products that are supplied by animals naturally
dying or providing the resource of their own free will?

Please note that if it involves keeping animals in captivity to
provide it then it isn't by their own free will..

> I am shocked and disappointed that you would make such a huge 
> generalization.

It is a generalisation but I can't really think of anything which
goes against it.

> I saw a documentary about a fanatical chicken lover on 
> BBC 4 who kept lots of chickens as pets and ate them/used their 
> feathers when they died.

Fine if he rescues the chickens and doesn't breed them.

If he breeds them for this purpose then he is no better than anyone
who breeds animals for a living and keeps them in captivity.

> There are many examples of situations where 
> animal products can be obtained without involving excessive cruelty.

Such as?

Road kill is about the only example I can think of, but I wouldn't
really call it an animal product. Logically it is an animal product
of course but to my mind the term "product" in this context implies
a fairly guaranteed supply.

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