Re: Re: RFC: ircd choice vote

On Thu, Aug 04, 2005 at 09:34:19PM -0400, Mark Rutherford wrote:
> Basically: I would write a new ircd BEFORE I ever laid hands on unreal.
> 
> I have (IMO) good reasons:
> Yes, it is true that it is actively developed. however it doesnt take
> much to 'glue' pieces of various ircds together
> to make one. I know this from looking at past revisions that this is
> indeed the case.
> Ok...... I have done it too. this isnt really an issue.

I have tried for over a year to magic someone out of nowhere to do
this, and I have failed.

Saying it can be done won't make it happen.  Do we wait another
year?

> I have seen, talked with, been around the unrealircd developers many
> times, and the longest duration probably
> a month on IRC.
> The developers of unreal have absolutely no respect for either:
> a. other ircds
> b. other users on the ircd
> c. other add-ons/modules that people have written
> d. care absolutely nothing about users complaints/gripes/bug reports
> e. take pride in totally tearing apart other ircds, such as blitzed
> (yeah i saw them rant about it), bahamut, comstud,
> ratbox and actually one that I personally maintain for freequest!
> they just dont respect users choice! its tragic, it really is.

We don't currently have any contact with bahamut authors either so
I'm not sure what we would lose.

We're not trying to make an ircd or start a development project or
anything like that.  We just need a modern ircd to use.

> this ircd is for kids, it has the total stench of being unprofessional,
> or clueless in its reputation.
> I, never in my WILDEST dreams would envision Blitzed, which I hold in
> VERY HIGH regard, using it. it disturbs me.
> I know this is not what anyone wants to read, but I truely feel this way.
> 
> Once again, I know this has no weight.. but I really dont think its a
> good idea.
> If it is the will of the Blitzed EB then I will accept it just the same.
> I just feel that it is important that I voice my opinion, as a user.

We need a new ircd.  Everyone seems to be in the mindset that I have
some love of unrealircd and I'm trying to push it onto the network.
In truth I've never used it and have low regard for most of its
users from the BOPM list.  I'm just trying to get something done in
the only way that I personally can do it, as opposed to no one doing
anything.

If I had the time and skill to make a suitable ircd out of ratbox or
bahamut 1.6 then I would do it, as I'm sure others here would too.
But we have waited literally years for this to happen and all the
while we have users complaining.

Are you saying we should seriously consider bahamut 1.6?  We can
certainly add it to the vote as long as it's made clear that as
standard it doesn't support hostmasking, ipv6, or ssl connections
for users.  Not that any of those are *required* for Blitzed but
hostmasking at least is regularly requested and it's getting harder
to justify saying no.

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