Re: Re: RFC: ircd choice vote

Andy Smith wrote:

>On Thu, Aug 04, 2005 at 09:34:19PM -0400, Mark Rutherford wrote:
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>>Basically: I would write a new ircd BEFORE I ever laid hands on unreal.
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>>I have (IMO) good reasons:
>>Yes, it is true that it is actively developed. however it doesnt take
>>much to 'glue' pieces of various ircds together
>>to make one. I know this from looking at past revisions that this is
>>indeed the case.
>>Ok...... I have done it too. this isnt really an issue.
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>I have tried for over a year to magic someone out of nowhere to do
>this, and I have failed.
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>Saying it can be done won't make it happen.  Do we wait another
>year?
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No, I agree its a real issue.
What, exactly are the feature requirements?

>>I have seen, talked with, been around the unrealircd developers many
>>times, and the longest duration probably
>>a month on IRC.
>>The developers of unreal have absolutely no respect for either:
>>a. other ircds
>>b. other users on the ircd
>>c. other add-ons/modules that people have written
>>d. care absolutely nothing about users complaints/gripes/bug reports
>>e. take pride in totally tearing apart other ircds, such as blitzed
>>(yeah i saw them rant about it), bahamut, comstud,
>>ratbox and actually one that I personally maintain for freequest!
>>they just dont respect users choice! its tragic, it really is.
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>We don't currently have any contact with bahamut authors either so
>I'm not sure what we would lose.
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>We're not trying to make an ircd or start a development project or
>anything like that.  We just need a modern ircd to use.
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I hear you. We have discussed it openly in public before.

>>this ircd is for kids, it has the total stench of being unprofessional,
>>or clueless in its reputation.
>>I, never in my WILDEST dreams would envision Blitzed, which I hold in
>>VERY HIGH regard, using it. it disturbs me.
>>I know this is not what anyone wants to read, but I truely feel this way.
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>>Once again, I know this has no weight.. but I really dont think its a
>>good idea.
>>If it is the will of the Blitzed EB then I will accept it just the same.
>>I just feel that it is important that I voice my opinion, as a user.
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>We need a new ircd.  Everyone seems to be in the mindset that I have
>some love of unrealircd and I'm trying to push it onto the network.
>In truth I've never used it and have low regard for most of its
>users from the BOPM list.  I'm just trying to get something done in
>the only way that I personally can do it, as opposed to no one doing
>anything.
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>If I had the time and skill to make a suitable ircd out of ratbox or
>bahamut 1.6 then I would do it, as I'm sure others here would too.
>But we have waited literally years for this to happen and all the
>while we have users complaining.
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>Are you saying we should seriously consider bahamut 1.6?  We can
>certainly add it to the vote as long as it's made clear that as
>standard it doesn't support hostmasking, ipv6, or ssl connections
>for users.  Not that any of those are *required* for Blitzed but
>hostmasking at least is regularly requested and it's getting harder
>to justify saying no.
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Hostmasking is easy to add, I have done SSL in bahamut (1.8, not 1.6
since 1.6 was an abandoned project for 1.8)
IPv6 I also hacked into 1.8 but its really that, a hack.

Since the bahamut guys are currently working on their re-write (2.0)
they plan to implement IPv6 in that from the start.
The issue with bahamut and IPv6 is that it was never designed to have it
to start, and while I made it work it was never pretty.
As far as hostmasking, most users just want the ability to HIDE their
host, and a few want the ability to set it to some random
host (DNS spam)

MAYBEE...... whats needed almost as much as a new ircd, but some new
blood in the ircd team?
Most of you guys know me from my toiling with services, and basically I
have gotten most of the kinks out, and I know
its still not perfect.

Would it be in everyones best interest if I joined the current team and
then perhaps we can actually get the job done?
experience? need a resume? :P
(http://cvs.freequest.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/)

Havent touched it in awhile, because nothing is really broken (haha now
ive said that it will fall apart tonight)
services leaks virtually no memory and the ircd never crashes (even the
ipv6 hack!)

SO now my neck is on the chopper. what do you guys say?
I knew the situation was dire but I thought that you guys were on your
way. I didnt know it was getting to be really desperate.
I offer to help.
-Mark

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