Re: Re: RFC: ircd choice vote

Andy Smith wrote:

>On Fri, Aug 05, 2005 at 08:45:44AM -0400, Mark Rutherford wrote:
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>>What, exactly are the feature requirements?
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>This has never been ironed out, though we have tried a few times.
>So I'll stick my neck out and say what I personally think; I've
>updated this wiki page with that info:
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>http://wiki.blitzed.org/Post-Bahamut_IRCd_choices
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>(near the bottom)
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Most, if not all of that stuff looks dooable, or is already done.

>>Hostmasking is easy to add, I have done SSL in bahamut (1.8, not 1.6
>>since 1.6 was an abandoned project for 1.8)
>>IPv6 I also hacked into 1.8 but its really that, a hack.
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>It would definitely be better to leave IPv6 out unless it works well
>since the inability to consistently kline/akill across servers that
>are IPv4 or IPv6 is not good.
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Yeah, we use it on a test basis, it probably only gets 10 users at the most.
it was more of a 'proof of concept' and learning experience kind of 
hack. its just not suitable for
real use. I definately took a lot of heat for it :)

>>As far as hostmasking, most users just want the ability to HIDE their
>>host, and a few want the ability to set it to some random
>>host (DNS spam)
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>I would set a very low priority on the made up hosts (what I call
>host spoofing).  I can really only see it as useful in the sort of
>way that freenode use it.
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We dont make up hosts rather scramble the ip address if the user did not 
resolve, or prefix their hostmask
if it did resolve with a hash of sorts that will remain the same across 
connects, to avoid someone getting
banned from a channel and then reconnecting to simply get another one. a 
lot of implementations where I have seen the
NETWORKNAME-NUMBER.rest.of.host usually assign a new number and this is 
easily used for ban evasion.
(ive seen it exploited on poorly designed implementations)

>>MAYBEE...... whats needed almost as much as a new ircd, but some new
>>blood in the ircd team?
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>New motivated staff are needed more than any ircd upgrade or new
>servers.  It's something we've suffered from in the last year or two
>(and no, it's not because we've been turning away many server apps).
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I figured this was just as, or more important. I dont know that im more 
motivated, just that when I say I will do something
I ususally do it if I can. (if I cant do it I wont offer :D)

>>Would it be in everyones best interest if I joined the current team and
>>then perhaps we can actually get the job done?
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>Which ircd are you proposing to base it on?  bahamut 1.8?  If so,
>and you think you could get all of the required features working,
>then it sounds like a good idea.  I would certainly be for it and
>would help where I could.
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>David is currently the leader of the ircd team and so we need to
>hear from him - if we are going to do this then really I think you
>having much more experience of 1.8 should replace david in that
>role when/if we cut over to the new ircd.
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All of my experience is with bahamut. I have tried others but I really 
just end up back at Bahamut.
Call it a personal preference. Aside from that I sit in #bahamut all the 
time, talk to the development team all the time
and we have a working relationship. The Bahamut guys ahve even helped me 
with some of my stuff, so with them its really
all about doing it, making it work and pushing the envelope.. basically 
innovation is the key goal I think.

>>experience? need a resume? :P
>>(http://cvs.freequest.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/)
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>One thing that does concern me slightly - you know that Blitzed is
>not Freequest right?  As in, it's unlikely that every single little
>tweak you have put into bahamut 1.8 for FQ is going to be wanted
>here and listening to the desires of admins, opers and users is
>important.
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I know that, and listening to the needs and desires of the FreeQuest 
population is why we have what we have.
I know the crowd is different but a lot of the requests will no doubt be 
very similar, if not the same.
since I already do it there its not hard to do it again :)

>>I offer to help.
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>Thank you very much, if we could mke some progress then I would feel
>a lot better about the situation also.
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Well, depending on what you guys decide I will stay tuned. if you want 
to go that route.
My plan would be to snatch the latest Bahamut (1.8.3) and pull it apart.
The reason I would not pick CVS is because thats an ongoing project.
(there are a bunch of known issues in cvs)

Are there any others that would step up to the plate and get the job 
done... other than us?
I know Blitzed has got to have bunches of C geeks around :)

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