Re: Improving the WHOIS format

You obviously have a lot things you'd like to see changed so why not write
your own IRC program since you seem to know how everything should be?

On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Dwayne Henderson <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Look, all I'm saying is change the likes of "ircname" to "IRC name".
>
> Basically you're arguing that all development on Irssi should cease
> because people are happy with the way things were.
>
> You don't like my ideas, fine. You wanna live in the past, fine. I just
> hope you don't drag this project down with you.
>
> --Dwayne
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Jase Thew <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 12/01/2012 13:55, Dwayne Henderson wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Jase Thew <[email protected]
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>    Have you thought about all the people that are quite happy with this
>>>    formatting? Why should they have to change their themes due to a
>>>    change to just to suit your tastes?
>>>
>>>    The entire point of theming is that if you don't like the default,
>>>    you are free to change it locally to something you do like.
>>>
>>>    Jase.
>>>
>>> They don't have to change a thing. What I meant was fixing it from the
>>> source. It ain't about personal taste, just a desire to fix what's
>>> incomplete and incorrect.
>>>
>>> --Dwayne
>>>
>>
>> I undertsand what you're suggesting, but it appears you may have
>> misinterpreted the point I was raising :
>>
>> >      Have you thought about all the people that are quite happy with >
>>      this formatting? Why should they have to change their themes due >
>>  to a change to just to suit your tastes?
>>
>> I was referring to people being happy with the *existing* formatting and
>> how they would need to change their themes to keep that formatting should
>> we change the default values as you propose.
>>
>> Irssi has default values for all of its formats stored internally (as a
>> result of being defined in the source), so it will only save (to a theme
>> file) formats that have had their value set (which I will call a custom
>> value) in the current session (either manually via /format or by loading a
>> theme file). The exception to this is when /save -formats is used instead
>> of just /save. This causes *all* formats and their values to be written out
>> to the theme file, not just the formats that have non-default values.
>> Furthermore, if a custom value is not present Irssi will use its default
>> value for that format when printformat'ing.
>>
>> So let's take the example of the whois formats you propose to change and
>> let's assume there are a group of people who are happy with the existing
>> default values for these formats. These people will not have any references
>> to these formats in their theme file, so Irssi renders the whois output
>> using its default values for these formats.
>>
>> Now suppose we change the default value for these formats as you propose
>> - this would affect everyone who doesn't have a custom value for these
>> formats. With the aforementioned people, if they wanted to keep the whois
>> formatting they were already happy with, they would need to configure
>> custom values in their theme file.
>>
>> So yes, changing the default value of formats will impact those people
>> who have not overridden them and will affect those who are happy with the
>> existing default values. Forcing such a change makes sense when a format's
>> value is clearly incomplete or erroneous and needs to be corrected, but
>> none whatsoever when the change is unnecessarily cosmetic at best.
>>
>> Jase.
>>
>>
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