Re: [opennic-discuss] Vote to keep or drop peering with NameCoin

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Another thing to mention too, Namecoin is more reliable than OpenNIC, since=
 while OpenNIC is subject to people arguing over how to count votes, Nameco=
in will always be there so long as you are willing to pay for it.

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-Dan Q


On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 14:46:54 -0400 (EDT), "Daniel Quintiliani" <danq@runbox=
.com> wrote:

> Due to the nature of Namecoin, you can't force certain entries to be adde=
d. Namecoin isn't specific to domains, only the ones marked "d/" are subjec=
t to resolution by ncdns. For example, there's NameID ("/id/name"):
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> https://namecha.in/name/id/domob
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> You can even do something goofy like this if you're willing to waste mone=
y:
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> https://namecha.in/name/k/on
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> Even if you change the Namecoin Core software to refuse to register a "/d=
" without a certain "contact" or "abuse" record added, you can just use dif=
ferent software (such as older versions, a patch, or a fork) to connect to =
the same network.
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> And as for the comments on illegal content such as malware and child porn=
ography, to my knowledge server owners would be protected by safe harbor la=
ws such as Section 230 and the DMCA in the US, and I doubt they would go to=
 OpenNIC but instead the operator of the IP which the .bit domain resolves =
to, because the IP with the illegal material is right there in the open for=
 everyone to see.
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> --
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> -Dan Q
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> On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 14:22:48 -0400, Rouben <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > Aside from the cypherpunk arguments here:
> > https://namecoin.org/2018/09/24/how-centralized-inproxies-make-everyone=
-less-safe-case-study.html
> > I would say that the biggest issue I recall with Namecoin is their
> > inability or unwillingness to do anything with abuse of their namespace.
> > I hope the folks at Namecoin recognize the abuse as a problem and are
> > looking into ways to adjust the Namecoin standard to make abuse impract=
ical
> > (e.g. too costly). In either case I don=E2=80=99t think it=E2=80=99s fa=
ir to expect OpenNIC
> > infrastructure operators to have to deal with the issues they=E2=80=99r=
e willingly
> > perpetuating with no =E2=80=9Cfix=E2=80=9D in sight. As such, Namecoin=
=E2=80=99s and OpenNIC=E2=80=99s
> > philosophies may be too divergent to allow for any sort of stable
> > partnership.
> >=20
> > Just my $0.02, but alas, I also admit that I=E2=80=99m a relatively fre=
sh member of
> > this community, so my facts and understanding may not be accurate.
> >=20
> > Rouben
> >=20
> >=20
> > On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 14:13 <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > Voted on page..
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Please drop it. They don=E2=80=99t deserve our help.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *De:* [email protected] <
> > > [email protected]> *En nombre de *Jeff Taylor
> > > *Enviado el:* lunes, 10 de junio de 2019 09:47 p. m.
> > > *Para:* OpenNIC discussion <[email protected]>
> > > *Asunto:* [opennic-discuss] Vote to keep or drop peering with NameCoin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In addition to the points I recently brought up about NameCoin, Fusl =
also
> > > discovered the following article where it appears one of their own
> > > developers criticizes OpeNIC directly for making their .bit domains
> > > available to our users, however nobody from their group have ever con=
tacted
> > > us to say there were any problems with our implementation or even ask=
 us to
> > > stop peering with them.
> > >
> > >
> > > https://namecoin.org/2018/09/24/how-centralized-inproxies-make-everyo=
ne-less-safe-case-study.html
> > >
> > > The previous discussion on this topic was short-lived, but seemed to
> > > produce little in the way of support or dissent for .bit domains, pos=
sibly
> > > meaning that there is simply very little interest in .bit overall.
> > >
> > > At this time I would like to call for a vote on whether we should keep
> > > peering with NameCoin or drop all support.  The vote can be found her=
e:
> > > https://wiki.opennic.org/votings/drop_namecoin
> > >
> > > Due to the low volume of chat and emails at this time of year, I have=
 set
> > > the vote for a two-week period, ending on June 25th.  Hopefully that =
will
> > > give everyone interested a chance to weigh in.  For those not familia=
r with
> > > the voting page, please use your OpenNIC user account credentials (th=
e same
> > > one you use on the servers page or to sign in to be.libre) to log in =
to the
> > > wiki in order to cast your vote.  Select if you want to keep or drop =
.bit,
> > > then click the grey "Your Vote" button.
> > >
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