Re: [opennic-discuss] Vote to keep or drop peering with NameCoin

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I thought this was about malware... maybe child porn too, although I don=E2=
=80=99t
think Spamhaus has anything to do with blocking the latter.

AFAIK Spamhaus is a not for profit organization. So technically they are
not an =E2=80=9Cevil=E2=80=9D (i.e. profit making) corporation, and as was =
pointed out
earlier, they aren=E2=80=99t forcing or interfering in anyone=E2=80=99s ope=
rations; it=E2=80=99s
actually up to each operator/vendor to leverage their efforts/products
(i.e. black/whitelists). In fact, I=E2=80=99d say, their aim and purpose are
actually pretty close to OpenNIC, albeit they don=E2=80=99t operate (or str=
ive
towards) an absolute democracy like OpenNIC does.

Having said the above, I think it=E2=80=99s important to recognize practica=
lity. If
the Internet were 100% =E2=80=9Cunmanaged=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cuncensored=
=E2=80=9D (i.e. a true =E2=80=9Cfree for
all=E2=80=9D with zero restrictions) environment, it would be useless cessp=
ool of
spam, malware and other garbage... because there would be enough a-holes to
abuse it for everything it=E2=80=99s got. This has been proven undeniably o=
ver the
course of time. There are pretty obvious reasons why organizations like
Spamhaus exist, and more importantly to this rant, why others *choose* to
*voluntarily* use their tools of =E2=80=9Ccensorship=E2=80=9D (i.e. blackli=
sts).

Does the idealist in me wish that the Internet could go back to the Arpanet
model of absolute trust and openness where every DNS and SMTP server is
wide open to =E2=80=9Chelp out=E2=80=9D the community like in the good old =
days? Yes. Is it
ever going to happen in the foreseeable future? No way!

Just my $0.02...

Rouben

On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 18:10 Daniel Quintiliani <[email protected]> wrote:

> Umm...are you talking adult content on OpenNIC TLDs, or are servers
> actually going to start filtering mainstream adult Internet sites via DNS?
>
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>
> -Dan Q
>
>
> On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 16:01:02 -0600, Jeff Taylor <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > For example, interest has been
> > expressed over the years to have an adult content listing, and this is
> > something that could be produced within the blacklist API.
> >
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<div><div dir=3D"auto">I thought this was about malware... maybe child porn=
 too, although I don=E2=80=99t think Spamhaus has anything to do with block=
ing the latter.</div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">AF=
AIK Spamhaus is a not for profit organization. So technically they are not =
an =E2=80=9Cevil=E2=80=9D (i.e. profit making) corporation, and as was poin=
ted out earlier, they aren=E2=80=99t forcing or interfering in anyone=E2=80=
=99s operations; it=E2=80=99s actually up to each operator/vendor to levera=
ge their efforts/products (i.e. black/whitelists). In fact, I=E2=80=99d say=
, their aim and purpose are actually pretty close to OpenNIC, albeit they d=
on=E2=80=99t operate (or strive towards) an absolute democracy like OpenNIC=
 does.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Having said the a=
bove, I think it=E2=80=99s important to recognize practicality. If the Inte=
rnet were 100% =E2=80=9Cunmanaged=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cuncensored=E2=80=9D=
 (i.e. a true =E2=80=9Cfree for all=E2=80=9D with zero restrictions) enviro=
nment, it would be useless cesspool of spam, malware and other garbage... b=
ecause there would be enough a-holes to abuse it for everything it=E2=80=99=
s got. This has been proven undeniably over the course of time. There are p=
retty obvious reasons why organizations like Spamhaus exist, and more impor=
tantly to this rant, why others *choose* to *voluntarily* use their tools o=
f =E2=80=9Ccensorship=E2=80=9D (i.e. blacklists).</div><div dir=3D"auto"><b=
r></div><div dir=3D"auto">Does the idealist in me wish that the Internet co=
uld go back to the Arpanet model of absolute trust and openness where every=
 DNS and SMTP server is wide open to =E2=80=9Chelp out=E2=80=9D the communi=
ty like in the good old days? Yes. Is it ever going to happen in the forese=
eable future? No way!</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Ju=
st my $0.02...</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Rouben</d=
iv><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr=
">On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 18:10 Daniel Quintiliani &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:da=
[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding=
-left:1ex">Umm...are you talking adult content on OpenNIC TLDs, or are serv=
ers actually going to start filtering mainstream adult Internet sites via D=
NS?<br>
<br>
--<br>
<br>
-Dan Q<br>
<br>
<br>
On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 16:01:02 -0600, Jeff Taylor &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shdwd=
[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; For example, interest has been <br>
&gt; expressed over the years to have an adult content listing, and this is=
 <br>
&gt; something that could be produced within the blacklist API.<br>
&gt; <br>
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