Re: [opennic-discuss] Vote to keep or drop peering with NameCoin
Rouben <[email protected]> Sun, 30 Jun 2019 20:39:45 -0400
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1561941600-3952-55 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000163649058c93deff" --000000000000163649058c93deff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable University of Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Not sure if Net Neutrality is mandated in Canada, but I=E2=80=99d like to think that it=E2=80=99s a fairl= y liberal country. I know for a fact that our central IT group filters domains of sites (entire zones) that host phishing sites targeting the University's authentication infrastructure. Alternatively they block outgoing traffic to such hosts by IP at the edge. That=E2=80=99s just one example and common pr= actice. Here=E2=80=99s a more comprehensive list (specifics require University cred= entials - UTORid- to access). On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 20:17 Daniel Quintiliani <[email protected]> wrote: > Even in countries which mandate net neutrality? > > -- > > -Dan Q > > > On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 17:07:51 -0700, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I think you're wrong about that. A quick google and > > you'll see that DNS filtering is actually quite common. > > > > ~ Ole > > > > > > On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 18:56:32 -0400 (EDT) > > "Daniel Quintiliani" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > No ISP in the free world does this with their DNS > > > servers. Why should we? > > > > > > -- > > > > > > -Dan Q > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 15:58:11 -0500, kevin > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > The problem here was, spamhaus painted ALL opennic > > > > peers with a broad brush. So those that won't filter > > > > anything, which I fully support, could potentially > > > > affect everyone. > > > > > > > > As many, if not most of us here appear to believe, this > > > > project has always been about freedom with > > > > collaboration via a touch of democracy (voting) thrown > > > > in. And I believe that everyone can (and will) do as > > > > they please. > > > > > > > > But... and so to repeat, those that filter nothing > > > > (including malware) could affect all of us. And like > > > > the .free domain, I don't care and would have preferred > > > > to keep it under openNIC. But, not everyone agrees > > > > with what I think. lol So filtering, at least for > > > > malware, certainly could be suggested as a strong > > > > guideline or recommendation. And my opinion with > > > > anything else, obviously leave that to the individual > > > > T2 hosts. > > > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > On Sun, 2019-06-30 at 12:05 +0200, Amunak wrote: > > > > > Why? The T2 server list is capable of displaying and > > > > > filtering pretty > > > > > much anything. Some T2 server providers may choose to > > > > > run more blacklists, some may choose to run none. > > > > > That's their decision and as > > > > > long as they say so in their server's description > > > > > then more power to everyone - the whole point of > > > > > sharing T2 servers is to provide a service > > > > > to other users who have an interest in that service > > > > > *with that particular configuration*. Same goes for > > > > > logging and such. > > > > > > > > > > Sure, don't show it on the homepage among > > > > > "recommended servers" but there's no reason to > > > > > essentially blacklist those servers and operators > > > > > from OpenNic. > > > > > > > > > > Amunak > > > > > > > > > > On 30.06.2019 1:55, Jacob Bachmeyer wrote: > > > > > > Jeff Taylor wrote: > > > > > > > It could relate to any domains, opennic or > > > > > > > icann. And I'm not saying > > > > > > > we WILL, I'm just saying we COULD have that > > > > > > > option. Like with the > > > > > > > spamhaus listings, use of this would be up to the > > > > > > > individual T2 operators. At the moment there is > > > > > > > nothing planned, I just wrote the > > > > > > > API so we could expand on its use later if we > > > > > > > chose to. > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest a policy restricting the use of > > > > > > non-malware blacklists to > > > > > > private T2 servers. In other words, T2 servers > > > > > > using blacklists for > > > > > > any category other than malware would not be > > > > > > eligible to be listed in > > > > > > the public directory. > > > > > > > > > > > > We might even want to require public T2 servers to > > > > > > blacklist known malware domains, but that is sure > > > > > > to be highly controversial. Should > > > > > > we censor ransomware? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Jacob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > You are a member of the OpenNIC Discuss list. > > > > > > You may unsubscribe by emailing > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > You are a member of the OpenNIC Discuss list. > > > > > You may unsubscribe by emailing > > > > > [email protected] > > > > -- > > > > http://ca.linkedin.com/in/kevinrattai/ > > > > > > > > https://winnipegcryptoconference.com/ > > > > > > > > https://github.com/krattai > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > You are a member of the OpenNIC Discuss list. > > > > You may unsubscribe by emailing > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > You are a member of the OpenNIC Discuss list. > > You may unsubscribe by emailing > [email protected] > > > > > -------- > You are a member of the OpenNIC Discuss list. > You may unsubscribe by emailing > [email protected] > --=20 Rouben --000000000000163649058c93deff Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div><div dir=3D"auto">University of Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Not sure if = Net Neutrality is mandated in Canada, but I=E2=80=99d like to think that it= =E2=80=99s a fairly liberal country. I know for a fact that our central IT = group filters domains of sites (entire zones) that host phishing sites targ= eting the University's authentication infrastructure. Alternatively the= y block outgoing traffic to such hosts by IP at the edge. That=E2=80=99s ju= st one example and common practice. Here=E2=80=99s a more comprehensive lis= t (specifics require University credentials - UTORid- to access).</div></di= v><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"= >On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 20:17 Daniel Quintiliani <<a href=3D"mailto:dan= [email protected]">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"= gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-= left:1ex">Even in countries which mandate net neutrality?<br> <br> --<br> <br> -Dan Q<br> <br> <br> On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 17:07:51 -0700, <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target= =3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br> <br> > I think you're wrong about that. A quick google and<br> > you'll see that DNS filtering is actually quite common.<br> > <br> > ~ Ole<br> > <br> > <br> > On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 18:56:32 -0400 (EDT)<br> > "Daniel Quintiliani" <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br> > <br> > > No ISP in the free world does this with their DNS<br> > > servers. Why should we?<br> > > <br> > > --<br> > > <br> > > -Dan Q<br> > > <br> > > <br> > > On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 15:58:11 -0500, kevin<br> > > <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">kratta= [email protected]</a>> wrote:<br> > > <br> > > > The problem here was, spamhaus painted ALL opennic<br> > > > peers with a broad brush.=C2=A0 So those that won't filt= er<br> > > > anything, which I fully support, could potentially<br> > > > affect everyone.<br> > > > <br> > > > As many, if not most of us here appear to believe, this<br> > > > project has always been about freedom with<br> > > > collaboration via a touch of democracy (voting) thrown<br> > > > in. And I believe that everyone can (and will) do as<br> > > > they please.<br> > > > <br> > > > But...=C2=A0 and so to repeat, those that filter nothing<br> > > > (including malware) could affect all of us.=C2=A0 And like<b= r> > > > the .free domain, I don't care and would have preferred<= br> > > > to keep it under openNIC.=C2=A0 But, not everyone agrees<br> > > > with what I think. lol=C2=A0 So filtering, at least for<br> > > > malware, certainly could be suggested as a strong<br> > > > guideline or recommendation. And my opinion with<br> > > > anything else, obviously leave that to the individual<br> > > > T2 hosts.<br> > > > <br> > > > Kevin<br> > > > <br> > > > On Sun, 2019-06-30 at 12:05 +0200, Amunak wrote:=C2=A0 <br> > > > > Why? The T2 server list is capable of displaying and<br> > > > > filtering pretty <br> > > > > much anything. Some T2 server providers may choose to<b= r> > > > > run more blacklists, some may choose to run none.<br> > > > > That's their decision and as <br> > > > > long as they say so in their server's description<b= r> > > > > then more power to everyone - the whole point of<br> > > > > sharing T2 servers is to provide a service <br> > > > > to other users who have an interest in that service<br> > > > > *with that particular configuration*. Same goes for<br> > > > > logging and such.<br> > > > > <br> > > > > Sure, don't show it on the homepage among<br> > > > > "recommended servers" but there's no reas= on to<br> > > > > essentially blacklist those servers and operators <br> > > > > from OpenNic.<br> > > > > <br> > > > > Amunak<br> > > > > <br> > > > > On 30.06.2019 1:55, Jacob Bachmeyer wrote:=C2=A0 <br> > > > > > Jeff Taylor wrote:=C2=A0 <br> > > > > > > It could relate to any domains, opennic or<br> > > > > > > icann.=C2=A0 And I'm not saying <br> > > > > > > we WILL, I'm just saying we COULD have th= at<br> > > > > > > option.=C2=A0 Like with the <br> > > > > > > spamhaus listings, use of this would be up to= the<br> > > > > > > individual T2 operators.=C2=A0 At the moment = there is<br> > > > > > > nothing planned, I just wrote the <br> > > > > > > API so we could expand on its use later if we= <br> > > > > > > chose to.=C2=A0 <br> > > > > > <br> > > > > > I suggest a policy restricting the use of<br> > > > > > non-malware blacklists to <br> > > > > > private T2 servers.=C2=A0 In other words, T2 serve= rs<br> > > > > > using blacklists for <br> > > > > > any category other than malware would not be<br> > > > > > eligible to be listed in <br> > > > > > the public directory.<br> > > > > > <br> > > > > > We might even want to require public T2 servers to= <br> > > > > > blacklist known malware domains, but that is sure<= br> > > > > > to be highly controversial. Should <br> > > > > > we censor ransomware?<br> > > > > > <br> > > > > > <br> > > > > > -- Jacob<br> > > > > > <br> > > > > > <br> > > > > > <br> > > > > > --------<br> > > > > > You are a member of the OpenNIC Discuss list.<br> > > > > > You may unsubscribe by emailing <br> > > > > > <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= cproject.org" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]= g</a>=C2=A0 <br> > > > > <br> > > > > --------<br> > > > > You are a member of the OpenNIC Discuss list. <br> > > > > You may unsubscribe by emailing <br> > > > > <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= ect.org" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>= =C2=A0 <br> > > > -- <br> > > > <a href=3D"http://ca.linkedin.com/in/kevinrattai/" rel=3D"no= referrer" target=3D"_blank">http://ca.linkedin.com/in/kevinrattai/</a><br> > > > <br> > > > <a href=3D"https://winnipegcryptoconference.com/" rel=3D"nor= eferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://winnipegcryptoconference.com/</a><br> > > > <br> > > > <a href=3D"https://github.com/krattai" rel=3D"noreferrer" ta= rget=3D"_blank">https://github.com/krattai</a><br> > > > <br> > > > <br> > > > --------<br> > > > You are a member of the OpenNIC Discuss list. <br> > > > You may unsubscribe by emailing<br> > > > <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= rg" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>=C2= =A0 <br> > > <br> > > <br> > <br> > <br> > --------<br> > You are a member of the OpenNIC Discuss list. <br> > You may unsubscribe by emailing <a href=3D"mailto:discuss-unsubscribe@= lists.opennicproject.org" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]= icproject.org</a><br> <br> <br> <br> <br> --------<br> You are a member of the OpenNIC Discuss list. <br> You may unsubscribe by emailing <a href=3D"mailto:discuss-unsubscribe@lists= .opennicproject.org" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]= ject.org</a><br> </blockquote></div></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" = data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">Rouben</div> --000000000000163649058c93deff-- ------------=_1561941600-3952-55 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -------- You are a member of the OpenNIC Discuss list. 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