Re: Site plan and permitting

It would be good to get the roof up. Why can't we pour the concrete  
pad exactly? Will we get fined?

As far as the electrical goes, can we just get a circuit out there  
and hang it on a pole? That would be "temporary".

On Oct 5, 2006, at 7:31 AM, Felix Kersting wrote:

> Friends,
>
> Can't make the meeting on Friday night, I have a previous  
> commitment.  Again, I usually need more than a day or 2 notice for  
> meetings.
>
> I will try to schedule a siteplan meeting in the next week or 2,  
> but I am out of town Wed & Thurs of the next 2 weeks.  At that time  
> I will catch everyone up on where we are.  Suffice it to say I am  
> writing the document.  The process side has come into focus, but  
> the fuel pump for BlueSky and the Coop is still sticky.  I need  
> some dialogue with Brian on that.
> Suffice it to say we can't do anything permanent until the city  
> reviews and approves a complete long term plan of what we want to  
> do on site.  Since the all the codes regard us as a refinery  
> (literally) this is no small task.
> **** There should be no problem putting up the roof and pushing  
> some gravel around, as long as we all understand that it is  
> temporary ****
>
> We need to discuss the power situation.  Since we are non- 
> residential, all the electrical work must be done by a contractor.   
> There is/was an offer on the table for one-time free electrical  
> labor from a contractor - at one point we agreed to do the whole  
> mess at once.  I have a suggestion for that.
>
> There was also a budget of $1100 for upgrades to the processor and  
> site.  Don't know where we are on that budget, but I expect we will  
> burn thru that in parts for the electrical in short order.  Money  
> is a big issue.
>
> I know I have stated that I am close to completeing the review in  
> the past, but I am now typing the preliminary document......
>
> Sorry I will miss the group photo on Saturday - again previous  
> commitment.
>
> Best to all,
>
> Felix
>
>
>
> Zac Imboden wrote:
>> Great. If Felix can't make it, perhaps he can crib a few notes, so  
>> we know what our limitations are for site design implementation.  
>> Just a list so we know what we need to do before we can pour  
>> concrete.
>> And maybe if Seth can't make it, he could cobble a list of  
>> potential mixmasters. Also, perhaps Jackie could get us that phone  
>> tree, if she has it. It would be great if I could call some  
>> volunteers tomorrow and get a general sense of who's willing to  
>> make the mixmaster commitment. It says on the site "4 hours per  
>> month" but, Seth, correct me if I'm wrong, I think we need some  
>> people willing to spend a couple of hours a week for October  
>> getting up to speed. It doesn't have to be at the same time.  
>> That's what the Mixmaster Time Slot idea is about, coordination of  
>> mixmaster trainees.
>>
>> I know people are busy, but it would be great to have someone from  
>> the site planning committee there. For those who can't make it,  
>> please email your concerns and ideas before the meeting.
>>
>> Again, the goal here is to:
>>
>> 1) figure out our potential mixmasters and schedule training
>> 2) figure out the roadblocks to winterizing
>> 3) if possible, schedule a work party for clearing for the  
>> concrete pad and get what information Tom will need to assemble  
>> the roof. Pete et al, I know there's been some priority on the  
>> concrete removal, so if there's a reason to handle that before  
>> clearing the pad area, let us know the details.
>>
>> On Oct 4, 2006, at 3:36 PM, Cheryl Edmonds wrote:
>>
>>> hey Zac,
>>>
>>> Thanks for taking the lead on this.  I could meet Friday, 8pm...
>>>
>>> Cheryl
>>>
>>>      
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>> ----
>>>     From: /Zac Imboden <[email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]>>/
>>>     To: /"Cheryl Edmonds" <[email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]>>/
>>>     CC: /Seth Moody <[email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]>>, Karen Kruse <[email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]>>, Brian Jamison
>>>     <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>, Felix
>>>     Kersting <[email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]>>, GoBiodiesel Outreach
>>>     <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>,
>>>     Peter Kramer <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>/
>>>     Subject: /Re: mixmasters schedule/
>>>     Date: /Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:44:01 -0700/
>>>
>>>     I propose Friday night. Lucky Lab 8 pm. I'll buy the beer for
>>>     all. Saturday is fine too, but it's a work party and the site
>>>     might not be the best place to meet.
>>>
>>>     We should come with a couple of lists:
>>>     1) from Felix: specific steps needed before we can pour  
>>> concrete,
>>>     erect a roof, and bring in electrical
>>>     2) from mixmasters and Outreach: list of all prospective
>>>     mixmaster candidates, experienced or not, so we can see how many
>>>     potential mixers we will have.
>>>
>>>     By the way, is someone coordinating the work party for this  
>>> Saturday?
>>>
>>>     On Oct 4, 2006, at 12:51 AM, Cheryl Edmonds wrote:
>>>
>>>         zac,
>>>
>>>         thanks for this assessment and proposal.
>>>         i'd definitely be interested in some version of meetings,
>>>         training completion and schedules for fuel production.
>>>
>>>         can that be handled on a saturday soon?
>>>
>>>         Cheryl
>>>
>>>              
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>> ----
>>>             From: /Zac Imboden <[email protected]
>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>>/
>>>             To: /Seth Moody <[email protected]
>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>>/
>>>             CC: /Cheryl Edmonds <[email protected]
>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>>, Karen Kruse
>>>             <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>, Brian
>>>             Jamison <[email protected]
>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>>/
>>>             Subject: /mixmasters schedule/
>>>             Date: /Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:15:46 -0700/
>>>
>>>             I know how everyone hates meetings, which is why I
>>>             hesitate to propose TWO of them, but after talking with
>>>             Seth last Saturday, I think the existing mixmasters
>>>             should touch base on the following important issues and
>>>             make sure we are moving forward. Please let me know your
>>>             thoughts.
>>>
>>>             1) Obstacles to shelter and electricity
>>>             I think Seth has made it quite clear that without
>>>             adequate heat and shelter, we will not be producing fuel
>>>             regularly this winter (if at all). This cannot  
>>> happen. We
>>>             need to get a time table from Felix and make a decision
>>>             about a temporary shelter (or not). And what can we  
>>> do to
>>>             get an adequate amperage coming into the conex?
>>>
>>>             2) Fuel Making - the heartbeat of the coop
>>>             Right now, that heart is not exactly beating regularly.
>>>             Seth talked to me about the need to push towards the  
>>> last
>>>             leg of all the training effort he and others have put in
>>>             over the summer. However, I believe we ALSO need to  
>>> put a
>>>             little organization in place to ensure there is always
>>>             fuel is being made at least once a week. I've done some
>>>             thinking and feel the simplest and most effective
>>>             approach is to have MixMaster Time Slots.
>>>
>>>             There should be at least 3 slots for each of two days a
>>>             week and members of the mixmaster team who have  
>>> completed
>>>             their training should be signing up for one of these
>>>             slots. I think we have enough interest that if we can
>>>             complete the training of a core group of people, we
>>>             should have plenty of bodies to make fuel, but they need
>>>             to know WHEN they are needed (because most people can't
>>>             come each week) and WE need to know how many slots are
>>>             left unfilled. Also, giving people the flexibility to
>>>             sign up in advance helps them plan and also signals
>>>             a commitment on their part to show up and make fuel.
>>>
>>>             3) Training
>>>             I think one meeting should be with the *seasoned*
>>>             mixmasters, so we can focus on winterizing and hashing
>>>             out the Time Slot idea (if people think it's useful).  
>>> But
>>>             I think it's time we scheduled another mixmaster  
>>> training
>>>             orientation and I suggest we go ahead and schedule
>>>             training sessions on TWO Saturdays in October and also
>>>             another TWO in November. We need to get people down  
>>> there
>>>             and in the loop and well on the way to being able to do
>>>             all the steps without supervision. By the end of  
>>> October,
>>>             we need a core of at least 10-12 people, so that we have
>>>             enough people power to make fuel and continue training
>>>             throughout the winter. I know that sounds like a lot  
>>> now,
>>>             but if we set our sites for *increasing* fuel production
>>>             into 2007, we need to lay a wide foundation now and I
>>>             think we have enough new members to accomplish this.
>>>
>>>             Tom is chafing at the bit to build a temporary shelter.
>>>             We need to re-identify our permit roadblocks and act
>>>             accordingly. And I'm getting a ton of calls and emails
>>>             from new members and I would love to see these people
>>>             with oil on their hands (sorry Karen, on their *gloves*)
>>>             in the next few weekends!
>>>
>>>             I'm proposing we meet this week in the evening to  
>>> discuss
>>>             winterizing, fuel-making and training schedules. I know
>>>             I'm just a little man and I'm throwing down a big iron
>>>             glove here, but I sincerely believe if we don't act
>>>             quickly, the coop's heart is going to stop beating and
>>>             all the other activities (biodiesel bash, glycerin
>>>             purification, oil collecting) are going to be moot if
>>>             members do not have ready access to fuel.
>>>
>>>             I didn't email the list, just the key mixmaster folks
>>>             (sorry if I left some people out).
>>>              
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------
>>>             Zac Imboden
>>>             [email protected]  
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>             1534 SE 35th Place
>>>             Portland, OR
>>>             97214
>>>             971-563-2477
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     --------------------------------------------------------------
>>>     Zac Imboden
>>>     [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>     1534 SE 35th Place
>>>     Portland, OR
>>>     97214
>>>     971-563-2477
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------
>> Zac Imboden
>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> 1534 SE 35th Place
>> Portland, OR
>> 97214
>> 971-563-2477
>>
>>
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Zac Imboden
[email protected]
1534 SE 35th Place
Portland, OR
97214
971-563-2477