Re: Re: Plastic oil jug recycling
"T Tricola" <[email protected]> Wed, 01 Nov 2006 00:29:21 +0000
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Talk to Jeff out in Canby. He said he would take it. >From: Brian Jamison <[email protected]> >Reply-To: GoBiodiesel Mixmasters <[email protected]> >To: GoBiodiesel Mixmasters <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [mixmasters] Re: Plastic oil jug recycling >Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 23:25:24 -0800 > >I know a lot is going on, has someone stepped up to this? Should we >just add it to the Open Tasks if not? I don't want to lose this in the >shuffle. > >-B > >On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 11:12 -0700, Zac Imboden wrote: > > On Sep 25, 2006, at 2:16 PM, Enrique Vargas wrote: > > > > > > > > > Zach, > > > > > > > > > My name is Enrique Vargas and I represent Metro South Hazardous > > > Waste. > > > > > > > > > I am contacting you to gather information concerning disposal of bio > > > diesel waste. This weekend we had two represenitives form the Go > > > Bio Diesel organization drop off some oil sludge. I was speaking > > > with Cheryl Edmonds and she mentioned your group had been in contact > > > with a company that will dispose of your surplus oil and plastic > > > containers. Right now we send our oil sludge for inceneration. If > > > you had any Leads on more eco friendly disposal options, your help > > > would be greatly appreciated. I thank you for your time and will be > > > looking forward to discussing this in greater detail. > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > Enrique Vargas > > > Hazardous Waste Technician > > > Metro South > > > 503-655-0330 > > > > > > It sounds like its possible they are willing to work with us on a > > solution. I forwarded this email to the General Discussion mailing > > list about a month ago. In hindsight, probably not such a good idea. > > > > > > 1) I recommend we get Bill Dodds the phone tree and have him call > > specifically for getting some hands for this task. They can work on it > > as a member of the coproducts committee. > > 2) In the meantime someone needs to follow up with a call to Enrique > > unless, Cheryl, you've already done that. Let's decide who that's > > going to be today if possible. I'll send him an email right now to > > just touch base. > > > > > > Some things to consider: > > > > > > 3) Can this sludge be further processed in fuel? How much fuel can we > > squeeze out of it? > > 4) A lot of this sludge could be used to make soap, assuming it has a > > high volume of free fatty acids in it. Maybe this sludge could be the > > raw material for our Quarterly meeting Soap making booth. ;-) > > 5) Can we continue to stock pile it until we find our solution? > > 6) Don't forget that the option is still on the table to neutralize > > coproducts and turn them into compost. We just need to work with the > > city on that. This option needs to be explored. It sounds like > > coproducts need to get busy on this one. > > > > > > Good thing I'm having a new members meeting for CoProducts tomorrow > > night,eh? ;-) > > > > > > **BRIAN,*** > > > > > > Can you export members with phone #s from the database? I will > > magically produce a new phone tree list and get it to Bill, pending an > > agreement from Cheryl, Pete and Eli on going forward with this > > approach. > > > > On Oct 9, 2006, at 10:19 AM, Kramer, Peter wrote: > > > > > Cheryl, I couldn’t agree more. Sounds like you are quite involved > > > now with Mixmaster, waste water, and other aspects of the Co-op. > > > > > > > > > > > > Eli or Zac, do you have a suggestion for who within your committee > > > might be a good candidate to take on the lead for coordinating our 5 > > > gal oil jug recycling? No one comes to mind for me right now. As > > > Cheryl mentioned, someone less involved would be great! We just > > > need to ask these people to step up and I’m sure they will! > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > From: Cheryl Edmonds [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 9:55 AM > > > To: Kramer, Peter > > > Subject: RE: Gobiodiesel Coop Site Coordinator > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Pete, > > > > > > I will contact the recycler again and see what's happening. > > > > > > I would like to see someone in the coop take this project on and be > > > the lead for it. Recruiting that person from the co-products or > > > grease master group might be a possibility. I don't think there's a > > > lack of enthusiasm in the coop membership...people just need to be > > > invited and then 'gently' encouraged to take a role. > > > > > > Any ideas on who could do this role? > > > > > > C. > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > From: "Kramer, Peter" <[email protected]> > > > To: Cheryl Edmonds <[email protected]> > > > CC: Seth Moody <[email protected]> > > > Subject: RE: Gobiodiesel Coop Site Coordinator > > > Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 23:05:11 -0500 > > > > > > Cheryl, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks so much for the GREAT re-cap! So basically, what I > > > am hearing is: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. We will be taking our relatively clean, empty > > > plastic jugs to your recycling source (once they are > > > ready for us); in the mean-time, just need to store > > > the empty containers. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. We currently have some sludge buckets that we need > > > to figure out what to do with > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. We have some large quantities of sludge at the > > > bottom of 275 gal totes that we will eventually need > > > to do something with > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you heard from the recycling center in the last couple > > > weeks?.. Hope they know we would really benefit from their > > > services immediately! Second, any thoughts or know any > > > resources for taking our sludge? This could be something we > > > discuss with others (throw out on bio-d list). > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for all your efforts! > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > From: Cheryl Edmonds [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 10:05 PM > > > To: Kramer, Peter; [email protected]; > > > wheelerk-/[email protected]; [email protected] > > > Cc: [email protected]; macl9522-/[email protected]; > > > [email protected] > > > Subject: RE: Gobiodiesel Coop Site Coordinator > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Pete, > > > > > > Just a quick update to the oil buckets/containers. > > > > > > Ron and I took empty stacked buckets and 5 gal buckets full > > > of oil sludge to the transfer station on Saturday afternoon. > > > We intended to put the stacked buckets into the garbage and > > > turn the 5 gal oil sludge buckets over to the hazardous > > > waste division. > > > > > > We learned two very important things: > > > > > > Garbage disposal is a min. of 17$ for the first 240 lbs. We > > > didn't have 240 lbs worth, so we brought the buckets back to > > > the site to be combined with other garbage to meet the > > > minimum. We also bought cat litter to include in these > > > buckets because NO (NONE)) oil-y residue is allowed even in > > > stuff headed for the garbage division. We bought 80 lbs of > > > cat litter ...used 20 lbs ($2.00) to soak up the residue and > > > put the other 60 lbs in the shed. Now those empty 5 gal > > > buckets are ready to go back to the garbage division. > > > > > > The 5 gal oil sludge buckets are a PROBLEM. They cannot be > > > placed in the garbage. They have to be dealt with via the > > > hazardous waste division; the division views these as a > > > commercial waste problem because the coop has accepted and > > > inherited a waste problem from the original user of the > > > virgin oil (our restaurants). The bottomline is a 5.50$ per > > > GALLON (yes that's right!!) fee to dispose of these buckets > > > of oil sludge. Do the math....bad news. > > > > > > The Oregon City transfer station did take about 10 of our 5 > > > gal oil sludge as a gesture of goodwill. But they called me > > > today with the message that this coop is considered a > > > COMMERCIAL operation and will be charged the 5.50$ per > > > gallon to dispose of any oil sludge!! Period. > > > > > > We have located a recylcer who will eventually be able to > > > take our dirty containers as they are (the milk container > > > style). But that could be as much as a year off before they > > > can begin to pick them up. > > > > > > I don't know which committe is supposed to be working on > > > this, but this issue needs to be explored more. > > > > > > In the meantime, the empty buckets are sitting on the > > > palette, stacked and ready to be combined with other site > > > garbage for disposal. And the few 5 gal oil sludge buckets > > > need to be dealt with. > > > > > > We had hoped for a simple, low cost recycling solution. The > > > metro transfer station isn't IT!! > > > > > > Cheryl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > From: "Kramer, Peter" <[email protected]> > > > To: karen kruse <[email protected]>, > > > wheelerk-/[email protected], [email protected] > > > CC: Seth Moody <[email protected]>, > > > [email protected], Cameron > > > <macl9522-/[email protected]>, Bill Dodds > > > <[email protected]> > > > Subject: RE: Gobiodiesel Coop Site Coordinator > > > Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 10:00:26 -0500 > > > > > > Karen, > > > > > > > > > > > > An update on what happened: > > > > > > We didn’t feel making the wall would provide benefit >for flooding purposes so very little was brought to the back of the site. >Concerns that the blackberries would back there would just grow over the >‘wall’ and create the same kind of problem. We started to use the >bigger chucks as a base for the slab next to the container. I have a >listing out on Craigslist for free concrete. We also have a suggestion from >Jeff Brandt for taking all the concrete to Sunderland Yard. Its in NE >Portland on 33rd right near the airport (map: >http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?addr=9325+NE+Sunderland+Avenue&csz=Portland%2C+OR&country=us&new=1&name=&qty=), >so not the closest, but it is setup to recycle all the concrete, which is >ideally what we want to do with it. I will try to find a ph number for >them to call and coord. So a focus, whatever we do with the concrete next >Sat should be getting people with big trucks who can do a couple hauls of >the concrete. > > > > > > > > > > > > We sold 200 gal of WVO (Bruce, recent new member, > > > lives in Washugal, has his own processor). Still > > > having problems with our WVO pump holding a prime. > > > > > > > > > > > > Felix and Zac were working on the methanol recovery > > > still; they will have to update you on that one. > > > > > > > > > > > > Recent new member (Ron, I think is the name) made a > > > run to Metro with most of our buckets filled with > > > the nasty, bottom sludge. There was some concern > > > that Metro may not take it. Please let me know if > > > you hear that there was a problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Dodds is going to make efforts to get to the > > > site soon to help pick up more brush. > > > > > > > > > > > > The plan for next week is to again get rid of > > > concrete and brush. MUST get people to show up with > > > big trucks! I might be able to get someone to go > > > down and chip the brush up. Not 100% sure though. > > > > > > > > > > > > Oily jugs: > > > > > > As you saw in the re-cap above, we removed a bulk of > > > the 5 gal buckets that had all the bottom sludge > > > from a year’s worth of scrapping jugs. As to our > > > current stock of empty, oily jugs, sounds like in > > > talking with Cheryl this Sat, that we are still on > > > track to have this company (Cheryl, help me out > > > here, what’s the name?) come take away all of our > > > plastic. Its highly desired type of plastic that’s > > > good for recycling. Just waiting on them to set up > > > their operations to handle plastic as messy as ours > > > will be. So right now, just need to store our empty > > > jugs somewhere on site that won’t cause any spills > > > or impede the gen 2 processor development. > > > > > > > > > > > > That portable garage, how big is it?.. I think > > > that’s a great idea! > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > From: karen kruse [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 11:28 PM > > > To: Kramer, Peter; wheelerk-/[email protected]; Matt > > > Stein; [email protected] > > > Cc: Seth Moody; [email protected]; Cameron; > > > Bill Dodds > > > Subject: RE: Gobiodiesel Coop Site Coordinator > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Pete and all, > > > > > > > > > I can attempt to lead on the 30th. > > > > > > > > > How far did you get moving the rubble this > > > weekend? > > > > > > > > > Is the plan to build the fence on the back of > > > the property or remove it? > > > > > > > > > If removal is the plan for the concrete or the > > > brush, where are we removing it to? > > > > > > > > > In terms of reimbursement, should I ask for > > > members to record their expenditures ( to the dump > > > for instance) then send requests to the board as > > > Brian mentioned? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the current plan for the oily 5 gallon > > > jugs? Are we still washing them? > > > > > > > > > There was a collection of approximately 20 , > > > 5 gallon jugs with apparently unusable kitchen waste > > > near the shed. > > > > > > > > > Is the plan to remove this , containers and > > > all to the dump? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will check the Task List for suggestions / > > > answers to the above questions as I believe we are > > > trying to use that as our organizing tool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An aside, I saw a Fred Meyer ad in today's paper > > > for a small portable garage made of heavy plastic > > > for approx 150dollars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone else think this might be a nice > > > structure to have on site for shelter this winter? > > > It could be secured I believe from the wind and it > > > is designed to withstand rain. If there is interest > > > I will suggest it to the board. > > > > > > > > > kk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Kramer, Peter > > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 7:41 AM > > > To: wheelerk-/[email protected]; Karen Kruse; > > > Matt Stein; [email protected] > > > Cc: Seth Moody; [email protected]; > > > Cameron; Bill Dodds > > > Subject: Gobiodiesel Coop Site Coordinator > > > > > > > > > Hi All! > > > > > > > > > > > > We have lots going on right now and even > > > more that needs to get done! The plan is > > > that we all can stay up-to-speed on what has > > > been done and what still needs to happen > > > with the co-op relative to the site > > > specifically. Right now we have a handful > > > of wknds covered, but still have some holes. > > > Sept 30 and Oct 7 are open. Karen or Peggy, > > > can either of you fill those spots?!... > > > > > > > > > > > > What needs to be done?.. > > > > > > 1. MUST remove concrete pile; either > > > construct wall on end of site > > > (parallel to river near the > > > blackberry bush line) or have it all > > > removed > > > 2. MUST remove brush piles > > > 3. on-going oil jug empty/clean/removal > > > 4. finish the work on the oil jug empty > > > system [oil separation rack] (Bill > > > D, Seth, or Greg can fill us in on > > > what needs to be done) > > > 5. find others who would be good > > > candidates for Site Coord position > > > > > > > > > > > > There are a handful of other items, I just > > > need to get with Seth and others to > > > formalize them and prioritize. > > > > > > > > > > > > This Sat I will be taking the lead as site > > > coord and our sole focus will be the removal > > > of that rubble. Lots of manual labor. If > > > ANY of you can make it this Sat, that would > > > be a HUGE help. Thank in advance! Please > > > bring any wheel barrels you may have access > > > to. If anyone has access to a pickup and/or > > > trailer, that would be great as well for > > > removal of brush. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to you all for your continued > > > involvement and leadership. That’s exactly > > > what this co-op desperately needs! > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Kramer, LEED™ AP > > > > > > > > > > > > BAS Sales Engineer > > > > > > TRANEOREGON > > > > > > 503-620-8031 > > > > > > DIR 503-431-2541 | FAX 503-639-1454 > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > www.TraneOregon.com > > > <http://www.TraneOregon.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Zac Imboden > > [email protected] > > 1534 SE 35th Place > > Portland, OR > > 97214 > > 971-563-2477 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > mixmasters mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.gobiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/mixmasters >-- >Brian Jamison >President, Board of Directors >GoBiodiesel Cooperative > >_______________________________________________ >mixmasters mailing list >[email protected] >http://lists.gobiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/mixmasters _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us